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And end those asinine fake noise abatement procedures. The vast majority of the time they make zero difference. Its pre concieved nonsense from the straight pipe turbojet days where windows would break and fillings would fall out. Yet we act like stage 3+ turbofans thousands of feet above are somehow a noise issue when the actual decibels is an eighth of the school bus driving down the street or a weed wacker 12 doors down. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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We also modeled the departure tracks, or noise abatement tracks for the airports studied. Here at Newark for example, if you look at the departures to the south, you can see the turn westward just S of Elizabeth. Houses within a certain db level were purchased by the FAA and torn down, and houses further away received noise proofing.
Here is a link to the Newark noise maps: Final Noise Exposure Map Report - EWR Airport
While today's jets are quieter than older ones, they still make noise. Also, Part 150 studies aren't done very often, maybe every 10-15 years so the data to allow a change to a noise abatement procedure takes a while. The biggest issue is that changing a departure moves the noise from one set of people to another - it is very politically charged and generally can't get done. So the noise abatement procedures don't change.
Here's a list from the FAA of big airports and links to their noise abatement pages: https://www.faa.gov/airports/environ...exposure_maps/
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While today's jets are quieter than older ones, they still make noise...The biggest issue is that changing a departure moves the noise from one set of people to another - it is very politically charged and generally can't get done. So the noise abatement procedures don't change.
The vast majority of the time now, if you hear a plane its barely audibile compared to school busses and mail trucks and garbage trucks and lawnmowers and weed wackers and sometimes even chirping birds. Nobody should be able to adjust ground tracks of planes for that just because they hear something they can eventually attribute to being an airplane because of stupid preconceptions from the 1970's.
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Good grief. I hope this isn’t that common. I’d love to know how much Delta spends on baloney like this.
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This is how they can say “we’ll get you there and 99.9999% on time” when they make the pitch to corporate clients. Think HVCs and revenue premium and this is a trivial expense for 15% more than the other guy for every seat we sell. They are actually doing it right. Now, how much they share with me... well that’s not right or at best TBD.
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This is how they can say “we’ll get you there and 99.9999% on time” when they make the pitch to corporate clients. Think HVCs and revenue premium and this is a trivial expense for 15% more than the other guy for every seat we sell. They are actually doing it right. Now, how much they share with me... well that’s not right or at best TBD.
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I guess the practice brings down the profit sharing a little, but if it attracts high end customers and replaces money taken by the "fly them empty" policy, who cares if it's kinda fake? It seems like I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle for as many pilots that are mad. Anyone see what I'm saying?
Yes, you are correct on the cost and I don’t like adding CO2 to the atmosphere unnecessarily but at least we are replacing JT8Ds with PW1500Gs.
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