Buck Rogers

My bad, thought you were talking about..years past....
I didnt RTWFP... read the whole effing post

My apologies....well worth the inquiries and I too would like to know the answer....if legal....no problem...if not ...then it smacks of "?????"

If legal...not much diff than line guys calling in sick then getting a GS or getting bought off and picking up a GS.....legal is legal..and it equals triple pay
My only caution is if we pit one group of pilots against another for doing essentially the same thing....it doesn't lead to cohesiveness( ,and I still wouldnt want to be an instructor or ALPA volunteer/ board member)
If , I've missed the mark....Mea culpa, I didnt read the whole thread

BobZ

Only line pilot sick call gs overlap doesnt work that way anymore.
Getting a trip buy is a different situation than either sick leave or instructor schedule abuse.
Imho a 052 pilot shouldnt be flying any premium unless on a monthly line schedule.
For the very reason of this post. There are plenty of ot opportunities in the sim for instructors.

tunes

No sweat. I don't know the legality of it either


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Baradium

If the instructor had already started the office day, then it's an FAR violation. If they hadn't started their office day yet, it's a union question.

Buck Rogers

Thank you...I understand that....but if I have too many block hours and call in sick....it creates overhead to jam a GS in that wouldnt normally be available....but I'm sure nobody would ever do that!😱....thats why the company keeps trying to tighten up the language on sick leave

BTW...IF instructor GS go behind all line GS and just ahead of inverse assignments what's the big deal.....you dont want them ANY chance at a good deal? No. I'm not an instructor. But, if I fly the line I can move X days, give away trips, drop trips, call in sick etc to avail myself of a GS opportunity....is what's good for the goose, not good for the gander?(especially if they go behind everybody that voluntarily wanted a GS)?

BobZ

Gs award and pay doesnt wrk that way.

052 pilots have their good deals. Double pumps. Ot. And substantial schedule flexibility....as noted here.

And as far as i know.....duties in 052 are outside of any FAR 117 overlay for legalities to fly line trips at premium pay.

Is it fair a line pilot isnt available to award a gs due to block hour limits...while a 052 instructor is... even if that instructor has worked a full sim schedule plus OT sim periods?

You ask whats the big deal?

First you have non-operations pilots flying line pilot trips when their assigned dept and duties are elsewhere.

Second you allow management a defacto reserve pool of pilots instead of hiring and staffing enough line pilots as reserves.

Buck Rogers

I dont make the FAR 117 rules...so the military pilot that flies 100 hours on a 3 week deployment can waltz in and fly 100 at delta....YEA....why...
Cause them's the rules....guy works his outside bidness 14 hrs a day for 5 days and then comes to work? Same/same. Careful what we wish for....might be that commuters have to start counting their commute as block hours....OUCH!
Do we want all DGS instructors? In previous contract negotiations we considered that a give due to all the jobs that cost by returning instructors to the line
....so question...it has been stated that instructor GS go just ahead of inverse assignments....if true.....I'll draw my conclusion....you can draw yours....for me....the insignificant numbers of jobs created is just that...insignificant. I think it's better to increase all current pilots pay/working conditions before weighing in on creating jobs....if the company needs more pilots they will either RR, give out GS, inverse assign or ????? We still haven't ascertained whether what went on was legal/illegal

Inverse assignment means nobody wanted to do it and now is being forced to (money be damned) ...if you have to miss a life event and they ACARS you your inverse assignment you would be glad if an instructor picked it up and someone else would be ****ed that they didnt get a GSWC....such is life

Baradium

I have to be honest, that post is so rambling and discombobulated that I am not really sure what you're trying to say.

I THINK you are trying to say that they should be able to consider ground duty as rest. Unfortunately, while the other examples ARE allowed per FARs, ground duty for the company is SPECIFICALLY not allowed to be considered rest. There is no "careful what you wish for here." It's what the FARs say and it's to prevent the company from assigning you ground duty during your mandatory rest times. This does mean it still does not count as a rest period even for a GS or IA.

In this case, if the pilot was already on a ground duty period and then changed it to be a GS they committed a serious FAR violation. If the ground duty period was in the future and they changed it to not interfere, it may be a contractual violation but does not violate any FARs.

Buck Rogers

I totally understand that...that is my point...the rules are the rules...I dont know if he did what was said, had an office day on the schedule then moved it, had an office day and showed up...or what

My point is...the rules that apply today...may not be the rules of tomorrow...the FAA can do what they want as evidenced by FAR 117


And if you want to break the code on "deciphering my ramblings" my suggestion is read it like a conversation rather than like an essay.
. I try to approach this forum more like us discussing things over beers as opposed to being an editorial writer who has to lay everything in one shot...therefore I interpose ??? 's with my answers an effort of expediency...sorry if that bothers you

BobZ

You clearly have no appreciation of the trade and craft deliniation between work by line pilots and non line pilots.
Ive been on both sides of the fence. And when on the non line pilot side i clearly underdtood where the line was. You apparently do not. And your mindset is a corrosive danger to any organized labor group snd agreemrnt.
As example...i was manning a pilot trainer. Ops approached us to instead operate the segment as a revenue flight. 2 of the 3 of us didnt think it was 'any big deal'. Imho to do as asked was taking money from a line pilot. Revenue operations belonged to 030 and not 052.
So it didnt happen.
If you equate non operarions pilots as interchangable players in the revenue operation conducted by line pilots you are a danger to the delta line pilot best interests.
As with scope....we hav already allowed far to great a blurring of what work belongs to us and what doesnt.