Any Former Southwest, now Happy Delta Pilots?
11-29-2018, 04:47 PM
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I’m over 40, so just around 20yrs to go before retirement.
11-29-2018, 05:02 PM
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A330/350, 777, 787, etc
With roughly 4500 hired already in this wave, and massive retirements looming....most of the hiring going forward will be to cover retirements and not growth. Especially if DL keeps farming out to codeshares, etc.
It's been said on here 8,000 retiring in the next 10 years. So a new hire could expect to be 50% in maybe 5-6 years depending on growth and retirements/early outs. So the guys already hired will be at the top 1/3d of the list for pretty much most of their careers. Usually, WB Cap'n is highly desired and therefore goes to the most senior on the list. Someone there would have to do the math to figure % of the list for a line holding WB CA in ATL and estimated time to hold based on new hire age to see if it would even be attainable. Easier to figure at SWA with 1 fleet...harder with 8-10 fleets since you really have no idea what people will bid and why.
With roughly 4500 hired already in this wave, and massive retirements looming....most of the hiring going forward will be to cover retirements and not growth. Especially if DL keeps farming out to codeshares, etc.
It's been said on here 8,000 retiring in the next 10 years. So a new hire could expect to be 50% in maybe 5-6 years depending on growth and retirements/early outs. So the guys already hired will be at the top 1/3d of the list for pretty much most of their careers. Usually, WB Cap'n is highly desired and therefore goes to the most senior on the list. Someone there would have to do the math to figure % of the list for a line holding WB CA in ATL and estimated time to hold based on new hire age to see if it would even be attainable. Easier to figure at SWA with 1 fleet...harder with 8-10 fleets since you really have no idea what people will bid and why.
11-29-2018, 05:10 PM
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My friend is a CA in 737 in DL at Atlanta and says the 737 is usually where old timers want to retire due to short good domestic legs. No long hauling in old age for him...so I guess the feeling is mutual.
11-29-2018, 05:16 PM
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I don't know, man...37 yo hired right now, living in mid-level seniority domicile ATL? If he's going to have much time as a WB captain there I think it'd be at the very bottom of that category. Might work for some, but not what I'd want to be doing as I ride off into the sunset.
11-29-2018, 05:26 PM
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The senior guys in my WB category could be WB Captains. Pick your schedule and probably make about as much as a WB Captain w/o much extra effort...not a bad gig if you can get.
11-29-2018, 05:29 PM
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Last I checked, the 767 is a widebody, and we don't have any 787s, nor are any even being discussed. WB captain is desired by many simply because of the money, and not everybody can handle time zone changes... If some NBs paid the same, there are those that would bid off at the first opportunity. Ain't that right sailingfun? And there is a percentage that go before 65. I am in the top 3rd now, and I have been a WB captain for 10 years and I was hired at the end of the big wa ve at the time. You never know how it will work out, but like someone else said, he will never fly a WB at LUV. Oh, and there are FOs senior to me on every widebody at DAL. And not just a few.
UAL 757 pays the same as the 737 with the 767 paying slightly more. Their 767-400 (same as your 767ER?) pays significantly more. So using pay I'd say the 75/67 categories are NB due to pay with the ER/777/330/350 being WB. My line of thought anyways.
11-29-2018, 05:34 PM
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Something to consider as well is size of the pilot lists. DL has 14.5k right now, and it will surely grow in time. Perhaps slowly with our upgauging strategy. We’re on pace to hire 1k annually, with +-7k retirements the next 10 years. You’ll probably be at 50% seniority by then.
At SWA what’s the size, nearly 9k? I know hiring there has been something like 600-800 pilots annually. I hear your sim building is expanding, maybe room for future continued future growth. Wild card if SW ever goes longhaul. The retirement big wave will be delayed for years, but will happen. I think there was something like <50 guys under 30yrs old on property (avg older new hires), so you would likely retire at a higher %, especially since you already have 2 years in. To get to 50% in 8 years, you’d need what, 3k-4K retirements based off the growth?
I’m guessing system seniority movement is pretty similar. I’d guess upgrade on 737 at ATL would be faster at DL, since it’s generally Sr at SW. You’d have a great variety of options in general in ATL (HQ/SIM, small NB Jr planes, big NB, WB, etc).
At SWA what’s the size, nearly 9k? I know hiring there has been something like 600-800 pilots annually. I hear your sim building is expanding, maybe room for future continued future growth. Wild card if SW ever goes longhaul. The retirement big wave will be delayed for years, but will happen. I think there was something like <50 guys under 30yrs old on property (avg older new hires), so you would likely retire at a higher %, especially since you already have 2 years in. To get to 50% in 8 years, you’d need what, 3k-4K retirements based off the growth?
I’m guessing system seniority movement is pretty similar. I’d guess upgrade on 737 at ATL would be faster at DL, since it’s generally Sr at SW. You’d have a great variety of options in general in ATL (HQ/SIM, small NB Jr planes, big NB, WB, etc).
Retirements are about half of what DL is going to have. In my math, in the next ten years, I will witness 3000 retirements at SWA (yes Delta has a lot more) plus their growing, currently hiring 600-700 a year...at their growth of 0%-3%, my seniority at retirement will be 14-8%. So definitely top ten percent. Upgrades will be coming down a little bit from the 10yrs to something like around 7-8yrs. This is my math plugged into seniority projections. Delta has better 50% seniority gain in next ten years. Does this clarify my situation?
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