Any Former Southwest, now Happy Delta Pilots?
11-29-2018, 02:41 PM
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Last thing I want when I’m 60 is to commute if I lived in ATL.
The only reason I’d bail living in ATL is the possibility of WB flying. If you want to be a FO when you retire, then sure you’ll see it. If you don’t want to commute, odds are you won’t see it as a CA if hired now.
The only reason I’d bail living in ATL is the possibility of WB flying. If you want to be a FO when you retire, then sure you’ll see it. If you don’t want to commute, odds are you won’t see it as a CA if hired now.
Anyone who thinks they completely know what the next 23 yrs (37 yr old turning 60) seniority will look like at any base is smoking something. Pretty sure even the execs have little more than an inclination on that time period.
11-29-2018, 03:20 PM
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I think we are on different pages. You said a new hire "there" wont hold WB captain before retiring. By "there" I was assuming you meant a new hire at Delta, which is why I was talking system wide. If you are referring to "there" as ATL with Delta, then I misinterpreted what you were saying.
That being said, again, even in Atlanta it depends on the age of the new hire and if you consider the 75/76 category a widebody. It also depends on what senior people do. There are a lot of senior guys who would rather fly an A320 to retirement vs a 777 or 330. That obviously allows more junior guys to get a 330 or 777 slot that they otherwise wouldn't hold. Too many variables to know exactly what a new hire now will and will not hold years down the road.
Just my 2 cents.
That being said, again, even in Atlanta it depends on the age of the new hire and if you consider the 75/76 category a widebody. It also depends on what senior people do. There are a lot of senior guys who would rather fly an A320 to retirement vs a 777 or 330. That obviously allows more junior guys to get a 330 or 777 slot that they otherwise wouldn't hold. Too many variables to know exactly what a new hire now will and will not hold years down the road.
Just my 2 cents.
I'm not even sure how widebody upgrade time could factor in as a negative. The time to upgrade into a widebody in ATL isn't going to be faster anywhere else...
11-29-2018, 03:48 PM
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Nyc and Dtw are faster. I don't know what you mean regarding it factoring in as a negative. I don't think it is a negative.
11-29-2018, 04:01 PM
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With roughly 4500 hired already in this wave, and massive retirements looming....most of the hiring going forward will be to cover retirements and not growth. Especially if DL keeps farming out to codeshares, etc.
It's been said on here 8,000 retiring in the next 10 years. So a new hire could expect to be 50% in maybe 5-6 years depending on growth and retirements/early outs. So the guys already hired will be at the top 1/3d of the list for pretty much most of their careers. Usually, WB Cap'n is highly desired and therefore goes to the most senior on the list. Someone there would have to do the math to figure % of the list for a line holding WB CA in ATL and estimated time to hold based on new hire age to see if it would even be attainable. Easier to figure at SWA with 1 fleet...harder with 8-10 fleets since you really have no idea what people will bid and why.
11-29-2018, 04:09 PM
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I think we are on different pages. You said a new hire "there" wont hold WB captain before retiring. By "there" I was assuming you meant a new hire at Delta, which is why I was talking system wide. If you are referring to "there" as ATL with Delta, then I misinterpreted what you were saying.
That being said, again, even in Atlanta it depends on the age of the new hire and if you consider the 75/76 category a widebody. It also depends on what senior people do. There are a lot of senior guys who would rather fly an A320 to retirement vs a 777 or 330. That obviously allows more junior guys to get a 330 or 777 slot that they otherwise wouldn't hold. Too many variables to know exactly what a new hire now will and will not hold years down the road.
Just my 2 cents.
That being said, again, even in Atlanta it depends on the age of the new hire and if you consider the 75/76 category a widebody. It also depends on what senior people do. There are a lot of senior guys who would rather fly an A320 to retirement vs a 777 or 330. That obviously allows more junior guys to get a 330 or 777 slot that they otherwise wouldn't hold. Too many variables to know exactly what a new hire now will and will not hold years down the road.
Just my 2 cents.
11-29-2018, 04:18 PM
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Does DL have a seniority projector tool where you could plug in seniority number and age and get a rough guess based on current trends when upgrade would happen on WB/NB aircraft in different bases?
11-29-2018, 04:31 PM
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I think comparing SW to DL is very difficult. The only way IMO to come close would be to compare 737 flying at SW to 737 flying at DL. An apples to apples comparison seems best. When u throw in widebody flying, the small NB flying, and large NB flying... one person's trash is another's dream flying! One thing DL has is SW type flying; while SW does not have the variety of flying DL has. But i mostly agree with the comments about where u want to live as being most important. Good luck with ur decision, either choice will be a great career.
11-29-2018, 04:32 PM
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Is Atlanta somewhat Junior in NB for Delta?
11-29-2018, 04:41 PM
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All other things aside, I think the big issue is seniority. You have pretty good seniority at SWA and it will get a lot better. DAL has hired a lot of guys since 2014 and you would be on the backside of that. Not saying you won’t have a great career here but an in depth look at your projected seniority may help make the decision. How old are you? How’s your health and your family history? You don’t need to answer these personal questions here but some things to think about. Also, before you make the move look at the healthcare benefits and your families status. Are you Military? Do you have Tricare or will you have Tricare? Just some other things to ponder. Good luck with your decision. I’m sure you will be happy at either place.
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