Any Former Southwest, now Happy Delta Pilots?
12-20-2018, 09:56 AM
#201
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Get Real,
Your criticisms of SWA/SWAPA may be completely valid, but you stray from the path of credibility when you criticize the pilots who, for their own reasons, disagree with your position. IMHO, it would be much more persuasive if you stick to the former, and eschew the latter. One former airline pilot used to bash the whole profession here on APC, and he made some good points, but lost the audience when he slandered the pilots who kept enjoying the job.
Your criticisms of SWA/SWAPA may be completely valid, but you stray from the path of credibility when you criticize the pilots who, for their own reasons, disagree with your position. IMHO, it would be much more persuasive if you stick to the former, and eschew the latter. One former airline pilot used to bash the whole profession here on APC, and he made some good points, but lost the audience when he slandered the pilots who kept enjoying the job.
Tomgoodman acknowledges that GetReal's criticisms are "entirely valid" but then absolves the pilots of SWA/SWAPA from any culpability in creating the conditions for GetReal's criticisms.
That right there is the sort of thinking that yields an industry-lagging contract. The contract is the DNA of a pilot's life on the job (and to a large degree outside of it).
For the young guys, THE PILOTS are responsible for creating the conditions that will usher in a favorable contract. That's not management's job. Management's job is to suck as much blood from the turnip as they can.
Management at SWA is not to blame for the many deficiencies in our contract - THE PILOTS are to blame. Management at SWA has done a bang-up job of selecting a particular type of individual who will go along and then further indoctrinating that individual into NOT taking the steps that could lead to awareness of his/her own agency and ability to improve their own situation.
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12-20-2018, 11:22 AM
#202
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Management at SWA has done a bang-up job of selecting a particular type of individual who will go along and then further indoctrinating that individual into NOT taking the steps that could lead to awareness of his/her own agency and ability to improve their own situation.
Just saying! 😁
12-20-2018, 11:43 AM
#203
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Either way, insulting fellow pilots in an an attempt to change their minds never works.
12-20-2018, 12:01 PM
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12-20-2018, 12:21 PM
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12-20-2018, 06:27 PM
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I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. I provided my perspective related to the thread topic in order to help others form their own.
12-21-2018, 06:06 AM
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As the OP, since this is my first Part 121, it is a case of knowing what you don't know. NYC for a 1yr or 2yr seat lock doesn't look too appealing since I can already hold ATL for SWA now. Short term pain I am sure, but ouch, I can't fathom how their seniority based by last four of SSN is really fair for older guys like me who don't have a 30 year career ahead of themselves.
12-21-2018, 06:50 AM
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Of all the reasons to not switch this has to be the worst one. You're thinking about tossing out 2 years of seniority and now you're worried about 20-30 numbers within your own class? As a fellow late starter with a 0XXX SSN I sympathize with your position but that small negative had absolutely zero impact on my decision where to work.
12-21-2018, 05:28 PM
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Of all the reasons to not switch this has to be the worst one. You're thinking about tossing out 2 years of seniority and now you're worried about 20-30 numbers within your own class? As a fellow late starter with a 0XXX SSN I sympathize with your position but that small negative had absolutely zero impact on my decision where to work.
12-21-2018, 07:07 PM
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I put that in the same realm as the 20-30 numbers in class as far as choosing an airline. While it's nice to have short windows, how many pilots change bases on a regular, recurring, basis?
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