Any Former Southwest, now Happy Delta Pilots?
12-14-2018, 07:04 AM
#131
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,595
Delta won't allow military members to receive military pay on any calendar day for which they are also receiving pay from Delta. I know you consistently defend this anti-military discrimination (there are no such restrictions on any non-flying civilian work), but that doesn't make it proper.
I have also never supported the companies policy on doing reserve work on a on call day. Please find a single post where I did. What I have stated is there are those who abuse the intent of military leave. I stand by that statement.
12-14-2018, 07:12 AM
#132
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 588
For me days off are a top priority. Even as a brand new guy, I got 18 off a month at SW unless I picked up. I hardly sat any reserve as I traded it all for trips. 18+ off a month even in the summer. The days off and flexibity are the main draw for me at SW. I chose SW over a CJO at UAL and turned down a FDX interview after I was hired. I’m happy, but it suits my goals and needs. I think we each have a different idea of what we want from an airline career... for me it’s days off ASAP, lol. I actually LIKE the 737 and WB is not a desire, but that’s not the case for everyone.
For my own curiosity, how long to consistently hold 17-18 days off on any plane in ATL at DAL?
For my own curiosity, how long to consistently hold 17-18 days off on any plane in ATL at DAL?
Last edited by Skyward; 12-14-2018 at 07:35 AM.
12-14-2018, 08:13 AM
#133
seeing the large hubs...
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 73N A
Posts: 3,747
The junior 717 person in ATL with 17 days off (holding a line) was hired in March 2018. In NYC or DTW, it's a May class date that has that many days off. We stopped hiring in June, but just started up again, so those people are had a few classes after them before they could hold that many days off. So it was only a short time after finishing training.
12-14-2018, 11:18 AM
#134
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,370
It’s not supposed to happen but has on many occasions. Air National guard technicians were not supposed to be able to take mil leave and remain on the Delta list yet it happened. I know one individual who was hired and worked for a major airline for 6 months before he separated from active duty. Things slip through the cracks all the time.
12-15-2018, 03:40 AM
#135
ATL 717B
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: C-130J AC / B717 FO
Posts: 362
For me days off are a top priority. Even as a brand new guy, I got 18 off a month at SW unless I picked up. I hardly sat any reserve as I traded it all for trips. 18+ off a month even in the summer. The days off and flexibity are the main draw for me at SW. I chose SW over a CJO at UAL and turned down a FDX interview after I was hired. I’m happy, but it suits my goals and needs. I think we each have a different idea of what we want from an airline career... for me it’s days off ASAP, lol. I actually LIKE the 737 and WB is not a desire, but that’s not the case for everyone.
For my own curiosity, how long to consistently hold 17-18 days off on any plane in ATL at DAL?
For my own curiosity, how long to consistently hold 17-18 days off on any plane in ATL at DAL?
12-15-2018, 03:40 AM
#136
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 164
Another thing to consider is that if you can't hold ATL in indoc, which appears likely given our latest vacancy results, then not only could it take you a while to get awarded it, but you will probably be very frustrated by how difficult it is to swap or pick up trips out of base at DL. My impression is that there is a fair amount of flexibility with this at SW, but at DL there is no way to swap your trips with open time trips in another base. You are allowed to pick up trips in another base but they don't get awarded until the day prior and only if there are no in-base reserves to cover it. So while it is possible, it is certainly not something you should expect to rely on if you can't hold ATL right away.
12-15-2018, 04:02 AM
#137
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,431
Another thing to consider is that if you can't hold ATL in indoc, which appears likely given our latest vacancy results, then not only could it take you a while to get awarded it, but you will probably be very frustrated by how difficult it is to swap or pick up trips out of base at DL. My impression is that there is a fair amount of flexibility with this at SW, but at DL there is no way to swap your trips with open time trips in another base. You are allowed to pick up trips in another base but they don't get awarded until the day prior and only if there are no in-base reserves to cover it. So while it is possible, it is certainly not something you should expect to rely on if you can't hold ATL right away.
If you were to suggest to SWA guys that they no longer be able to swap/pickup trips out of base, and no longer have the ability to give away parts of trips, all in some holistic "creating jobs" mindset for kids still in middle school, I think they would look at you rather strangely.
12-15-2018, 04:12 AM
#138
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,595
I've always wondered why we can't do this at DAL while at SWA they've been able to do that for decades. Heck, at SWA pilots can give away parts of trips. Any time someone at DAL suggests this there is usually some knee-jerk pushback along the lines of "costing jobs" (though I don't think it does at all).
If you were to suggest to SWA guys that they no longer be able to swap/pickup trips out of base, and no longer have the ability to give away parts of trips, all in some holistic "creating jobs" mindset for kids still in middle school, I think they would look at you rather strangely.
If you were to suggest to SWA guys that they no longer be able to swap/pickup trips out of base, and no longer have the ability to give away parts of trips, all in some holistic "creating jobs" mindset for kids still in middle school, I think they would look at you rather strangely.
12-15-2018, 04:15 AM
#139
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,595
Another thing to consider is that if you can't hold ATL in indoc, which appears likely given our latest vacancy results, then not only could it take you a while to get awarded it, but you will probably be very frustrated by how difficult it is to swap or pick up trips out of base at DL. My impression is that there is a fair amount of flexibility with this at SW, but at DL there is no way to swap your trips with open time trips in another base. You are allowed to pick up trips in another base but they don't get awarded until the day prior and only if there are no in-base reserves to cover it. So while it is possible, it is certainly not something you should expect to rely on if you can't hold ATL right away.
12-15-2018, 04:27 AM
#140
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: Fetal
Posts: 1,148
Southwest pilots do have a different mentality on jobs. They believe being efficient is good for both the company and pilots. In 2000 I was at a large airline party event. A friend showed up with a great beard. A SW pilot who knew him asked what happened and how long had he been on disability. He said, “I am not on disability, I buddy bid with LCA’s and they buy all my trips”. The SW pilot looked oddly at him and said, “you are going to go bankrupt someday doing that”.
So what does Southwest do with its FO’s that get removed for OE?
BTW I love the implication that it’s the trip buys that sunk Delta into bankruptcy. Yeesh.
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