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Old 09-18-2018, 07:42 AM
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I would like to see 1.5 credit for time above the ALV + 7.5 in C2019. The GS pay definitely honors only the most senior in most categories and causes a lot of upset to make sign in when being on the short leash; speeding tickets, car wrecks and an overall rushed pre-departure. The time and a half would be more equitable across the board and pilots would know there schedule in advance, streamline scheduling and make everything smoother. Of course the GS would still be around, but most likely greatly reduced as the amount of open time would be reduced. Holiday pay would also be a nice addition. What is the consensus on this? Any reason why this would not be a good additive to C2019?
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Originally Posted by BlackRocket
I would like to see 1.5 credit for time above the ALV + 7.5 in C2019. The GS pay definitely honors only the most senior in most categories and causes a lot of upset to make sign in when being on the short leash; speeding tickets, car wrecks and an overall rushed pre-departure. The time and a half would be more equitable across the board and pilots would know there schedule in advance, streamline scheduling and make everything smoother. Of course the GS would still be around, but most likely greatly reduced as the amount of open time would be reduced. Holiday pay would also be a nice addition. What is the consensus on this? Any reason why this would not be a good additive to C2019?
This has been analysed by ALPA EF&A previously and found to be less value than our current system.

GS Pay doesn't honor only the most senior. Everyone junior has to get a chance at a GS before the most senior gets their next GS.
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If you are gonna advocate for for 1.5 pay, your threshold is too high. Make it anything over ALV.

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Holiday pay would be nice.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:35 AM
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Real Red eye pay would be nice too
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Big no vote.
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Time and a half above zero
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:12 AM
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I like the Holiday Pay idea. Would give those who are forced into it a little something and would give people who wanted the extra pay a bonus while letting those junior who really wanted it off a chance at it. Win-win!
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Originally Posted by Trip7
This has been analysed by ALPA EF&A previously and found to be less value than our current system.

GS Pay doesn't honor only the most senior. Everyone junior has to get a chance at a GS before the most senior gets their next GS.

This is deceiving. If GS are only going out on weekends in your category, then pilots with weekends off are getting #2 & 3 before the junior pilot working weekends has a chance at #1.

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I would like to see 1.5 credit for time above the ALV + 7.5 in C2019. The GS pay definitely honors only the most senior in most categories and causes a lot of upset to make sign in when being on the short leash; speeding tickets, car wrecks and an overall rushed pre-departure. The time and a half would be more equitable across the board and pilots would know there schedule in advance, streamline scheduling and make everything smoother. Of course the GS would still be around, but most likely greatly reduced as the amount of open time would be reduced. Holiday pay would also be a nice addition. What is the consensus on this? Any reason why this would not be a good additive to C2019?

If you are speeding on the way to a GS, your decision making needs to be addressed. They know you might not make the posted time. It’s no different than a SC. As to GS going senior, how senior do you think WS will go when they are paying 150%?

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with your position, just adding some counterpoints.




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1.5 over 75 period


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