Delta Pilot Career Path Program
07-17-2018, 03:30 PM
#51
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I completely agree with this as well. Not out to lunch at all.
With the pace of technology proceeding like it is, I can easily see my kids being in their early 40's (or earlier) when they get the boot from this career due to automation. Then they get to try and start new careers in their 40's....
My guess is we see single pilot within 20 years or so and zero around 25 to 30. I'll bet we have some on property right now that may not finish out a full career to 65 (if what I've heard about 26 year old hires is true).
07-17-2018, 03:40 PM
#53
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You don’t know anything about Delta if you think the word “flow” is being negotiated.
The best I see being agreed to is unlimited interview attempts with a required “cooling off” period between attempts.
I don’t pretend to know everything, but I can assure you flow is not being negotiated. If it were, it would negate the entire Propel collegiate program. For the record, the Propel program is not a flow, not in any shape or form. Think of it as a 4-6 year probation period. Imagine the stress that would give most pilots. These students will earn their spot at Delta...period.
07-17-2018, 03:48 PM
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You don’t know anything about Delta if you think the word “flow” is being negotiated.
The best I see being agreed to is unlimited interview attempts with a required “cooling off” period between attempts.
I don’t pretend to know everything, but I can assure you flow is not being negotiated. If it were, it would negate the entire Propel collegiate program. For the record, the Propel program is not a flow, not in any shape or form. Think of it as a 4-6 year probation period. Imagine the stress that would give most pilots. These students will earn their spot at Delta...period.
The best I see being agreed to is unlimited interview attempts with a required “cooling off” period between attempts.
I don’t pretend to know everything, but I can assure you flow is not being negotiated. If it were, it would negate the entire Propel collegiate program. For the record, the Propel program is not a flow, not in any shape or form. Think of it as a 4-6 year probation period. Imagine the stress that would give most pilots. These students will earn their spot at Delta...period.
I don't care who you hire, but if you stick people at 9E without the need to upgrade, it destabilizes the entire company. We almost fell apart a few years ago when every FO ran for the exits when the SSP was not working. That's why pay went from $23K to $70K. Why can't they go directly from college to Delta?
07-17-2018, 04:05 PM
#55
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I completely agree with this as well. Not out to lunch at all.
With the pace of technology proceeding like it is, I can easily see my kids being in their early 40's (or earlier) when they get the boot from this career due to automation. Then they get to try and start new careers in their 40's....
My guess is we see single pilot within 20 years or so and zero around 25 to 30. I'll bet we have some on property right now that may not finish out a full career to 65 (if what I've heard about 26 year old hires is true).
With the pace of technology proceeding like it is, I can easily see my kids being in their early 40's (or earlier) when they get the boot from this career due to automation. Then they get to try and start new careers in their 40's....
My guess is we see single pilot within 20 years or so and zero around 25 to 30. I'll bet we have some on property right now that may not finish out a full career to 65 (if what I've heard about 26 year old hires is true).
I don't agree or disagree with you, but just for discussion:
-Boeing and AB are rolling out 2 pilot aircraft with zero slowdown as fast as they can. These aircraft typically have 30 year lifespans.
-Airlines like ours will go out of business before we have single pilot or zero pilot aircraft because our union will prevent it(as they should).
-It took the FAA something like 20 years to simply certify DME for use in navigation. I can't imagine how long it will take to certify pilotless aircraft for mass civil use.
-How many times have you ever had to take over an autoland?
-The likely path to single pilot or zero pilot aircraft is an upstart that buys them and organically grows their usership. They'll then have to partner with larger airlines, etc to get entrenched and takeover with the concept.
I think we have a good 5-10 years AFTER the first mass civilian pilotless prototype is built. Haven't even seen one on the drawing board. In fact, the Boeing NMA is a two pilot aircraft and is just now being drawn up.
These are all just discussion points.
07-17-2018, 04:27 PM
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I don't agree or disagree with you, but just for discussion:
-Boeing and AB are rolling out 2 pilot aircraft with zero slowdown as fast as they can. These aircraft typically have 30 year lifespans.
Yep. 30 years.....
-Airlines like ours will go out of business before we have single pilot or zero pilot aircraft because our union will prevent it(as they should).
You have faaar more faith that our "union" would or could stop this than I. You really think airlines would be shut down? The .gov would sit by and allow airlines to go out of business because the union is against one or zero pilot aircraft?
-It took the FAA something like 20 years to simply certify DME for use in navigation. I can't imagine how long it will take to certify pilotless aircraft for mass civil use.
When the bribe money starts to flow to the politicians all obstacles will disappear. Or the "pilot shortage" or some other excuse will drive the "crisis" and need to fast-track certification.
-How many times have you ever had to take over an autoland?
None. And been on an autoland A/C for over 10 years now.
-The likely path to single pilot or zero pilot aircraft is an upstart that buys them and organically grows their usership. They'll then have to partner with larger airlines, etc to get entrenched and takeover with the concept.
I think we have a good 5-10 years AFTER the first mass civilian pilotless prototype is built. Haven't even seen one on the drawing board. In fact, the Boeing NMA is a two pilot aircraft and is just now being drawn up.
I've also read that the capability to reduce or remove pilots is being built into future designs.
These are all just discussion points.
Yep.
-Boeing and AB are rolling out 2 pilot aircraft with zero slowdown as fast as they can. These aircraft typically have 30 year lifespans.
Yep. 30 years.....
-Airlines like ours will go out of business before we have single pilot or zero pilot aircraft because our union will prevent it(as they should).
You have faaar more faith that our "union" would or could stop this than I. You really think airlines would be shut down? The .gov would sit by and allow airlines to go out of business because the union is against one or zero pilot aircraft?
-It took the FAA something like 20 years to simply certify DME for use in navigation. I can't imagine how long it will take to certify pilotless aircraft for mass civil use.
When the bribe money starts to flow to the politicians all obstacles will disappear. Or the "pilot shortage" or some other excuse will drive the "crisis" and need to fast-track certification.
-How many times have you ever had to take over an autoland?
None. And been on an autoland A/C for over 10 years now.
-The likely path to single pilot or zero pilot aircraft is an upstart that buys them and organically grows their usership. They'll then have to partner with larger airlines, etc to get entrenched and takeover with the concept.
I think we have a good 5-10 years AFTER the first mass civilian pilotless prototype is built. Haven't even seen one on the drawing board. In fact, the Boeing NMA is a two pilot aircraft and is just now being drawn up.
I've also read that the capability to reduce or remove pilots is being built into future designs.
These are all just discussion points.
Yep.
.............
07-17-2018, 06:55 PM
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42 months in the program doesn't seem so bad. They will potentially enter the program in their junior year in college. That means less-than 2 years after graduating, they will be in a mainline cockpit.
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