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Old 07-19-2018, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Oh Holier than thou what great insight you have with the nerd comment.
I was speaking of Western Michigan University. One of the most highly-ranked collegic aviation programs in the country. NIFA team accomplishments are just one of the metrics they achieve high ranks in. I'm sure you wouldn't be degrading them without solid knowledge of how it works through your own experience, correct? Or are you throwing out opinions you know nothing about. The school's performance is part of the reason it was on the short list for one of the universities Delta wanted to program with. But I'm sure Delta doesn't know what they're doing either as far as this school selection.
You can Google it yourself. Most Aviation sources place it in the top ten and usually in the top five.
I played football there. I went through non aviation school (business admin). I learned to fly at an FBO. I was looked down upon by many of the “flight team kids” because I wasn’t going through their precious 141 program. Now two of the elite who used to heckle me about how I was doing things are asking me to E-mail pilot selection. One of them I did it for. He did not pass the HR portion of his interview and thus was not invited to re-interview six months later.

But he does have a lot of trophies from his spot landings and whatever. Case closed?
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Comair had an ab-initio program with WMU in the early 2000s. It ended when 230 hour pilots had to make new hire jet transitions. It's not easy going from 15 hrs in a Dutchess to V1 at your former cruise speed. I'm sure all these programs are excellent but with no more turboprops, a couple hundred hours of multi time goes a long way. There's no shortcut for experience.
The transition from prop to jet is a good point. I think that is why one of the schools on this list is planning to invest in an Airbus A-320 simulator to be placed in their new training center. Why they aren't going to install a CRJ, since most students in the Propel program will probably fly for a DCI carrier after graduation, is beyond me.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:48 AM
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Spot landings! Hilarious!!!
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
I played football there. I went through non aviation school (business admin). I learned to fly at an FBO. I was looked down upon by many of the “flight team kids” because I wasn’t going through their precious 141 program. Now two of the elite who used to heckle me about how I was doing things are asking me to E-mail pilot selection. One of them I did it for. He did not pass the HR portion of his interview and thus was not invited to re-interview six months later.

But he does have a lot of trophies from his spot landings and whatever. Case closed?
Wow you're right. Your example does Define the tens of thousands of graduates from that program.
But from your story and your word choices of elite, Flight Team kids, precious, heckled and the like it's easy to see the reason for your views. However it's more likely thin skin with you imagining most of that shaming than actually stuff ever coming out of anyone's mouth.
My experiences alone also don't define everyone but..... Many of my students were on those flight teams and I never saw anybody treat others poorly at that school because of what part of the program they were in. Urban legend at best. I know that can't be said of all flight schools but in the six years I was there, yeah I was a little slow since I paid my own way, I never saw that.
Congrats on the football team though. You must have been pretty proud with their performance lately.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:52 AM
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My flight program is better than your flight program!
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:52 AM
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My flight program is better than your flight program!
C'mon guys, can't we all get along? Let's all do a group hug, sing kumbaya, and talk about how Embry Riddle sucks...
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There will always be two people controlling passenger jets. The question is what skill level, and licensing will be required with future automation. I don't think the six figure salaries will last till the end of a 30+ year career.

The time, skills, commitment, and capability to become a Delta pilot, could easily land you a 7 figure job in silicon valley. You can work from home after a period of time in a lot of cases.

Teach your kids linear algebra, and statistics as early as possible.
When I was furloughed, I flew 2 Falcon 20’s for an aircraft management company. One owner had a futures trading business in Chicago. Before that, I flew a King Air 200 for a futures trader. If I had worked as hard as I did to become a Delta Pilot learning futures trading, or currency or stock trading, I’d be retired by now, flying myself around in my private jet. Things are much better now in this business, but I’ve questioned my decision to do this job on many occasions. It took me 5 years after college just to crack $20K a year. Even though at 47, I’ll make over 3 bills this year, if I could do it all over again, I’d put every ounce of energy into becoming a trader.
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
When I was furloughed, I flew 2 Falcon 20’s for an aircraft management company. One owner had a futures trading business in Chicago. Before that, I flew a King Air 200 for a futures trader. If I had worked as hard as I did to become a Delta Pilot learning futures trading, or currency or stock trading, I’d be retired by now, flying myself around in my private jet. Things are much better now in this business, but I’ve questioned my decision to do this job on many occasions. It took me 5 years after college just to crack $20K a year. Even though at 47, I’ll make over 3 bills this year, if I could do it all over again, I’d put every ounce of energy into becoming a trader.
Oh, I don't know... part timing it in the right seat of the ER on reserve all summer is NOT working from home. Only a year behind you and living on a quarter mil is tough... maybe I should go to work? Nah! But trading is fun and a few weekend seminars and you too can be a millionaire.

No regrets. Too many think the market is Vegas. Pilots are cooler people to hang with.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gliderguider
Not sure if it was already mentioned but why does one have to “job-share” as an instructor with the University if one goes the Delta Private Jets track? Do they assume that those guys just aren’t busy enough already?

The CFI/DPJ job share will allow the universities to retain their CFIs while allowing them to get their 1000 turbine time. DPJ doesn’t fly enough to make it beneficial to fly there full-time. This sharing program allows the CFI to be home based and get 6 months a year worth of turbine experience while living near their university.
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Originally Posted by The Duke
No, you’re not out to lunch. This is a great job, but if you’re in your 20s today, I can’t really see this as a viable career past your 40s. This shortage of pilots will only serve as the impetus behind the acceleration of automation that will reduce the number of required crew members. I don’t think it’s as close as some think, but it’s coming.
Just what a 21 year old CFI college kid wants to hear.
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