Sputnik

I've had it work. Albeit only on reserve, moving x days. If I put in a move from a day with bad coverage to one with worse, it always went though. Took a while. My impression is that they are done by hand as the automated process won't allow it. If it works with x days I'd say it worth trying to with actual trips.

Han Solo

Those senior FOs won't fly since most of the initial trips will be OE. I imagine the top 5 FOs in NYC will be able to get several months of trip buys and then work the swap board (if anything is on it) or camp out for WS/GS opportunities. By the time their trips aren't being bought out anymore there should be sufficient trips to sort through and then fly the good stuff. I think I answered what you're asking...

dodgerk

Makes sense thanks.

Broncos

FYI, someone posted on Facebook that it's not going to work this way for Senior C10B's this time around. All the LCA's are designated as "project" pilots, or something like that. As such, they will not be assigned to a category, and will not bid. Training will just buy trips for them to fly. So yes, while B's will be bought off their seat for OE training, there is no way for Senior B's to bid for "Award Pairing if LCA..." because there aren't any LCA's bidding. In other words, a bunch of random newhires are going to get that lucky phone call telling them to stay home instead of the Senior B's who deserve them.

MJP27

I just heard this exact thing today from an LCA on my jumpseat.

Scoop

Keep focused fellas. If the company can pull this off contractually (sounds like a status quo change) I am sure they will. but you know what - FOs will still be getting released so it does not really save the company that much. So why would they do it then you say?



Funny you should ask. Here is one possible answer.



What making LCA trips not biddable (is that a word?) does is to greatly "devalue" the LCA trip drop aspect of the PWA, which in my opinion will be a prelude to them trying to bargain this away in C2019 for a few shiny trinkets. The value of the LCA trip drops is going to continue to increase whether specific FOs can bid for them or not. Hopefully the company will not outwit us again.


Scoop

Broncos

It's going to cost the company SUBSTANTIALLY more. Instead of buying an FO out of his seat to replace him with an OE trainee, they now have to buy out an FO AND a Captain, to replace them with an OE trainee and a "Project Pilot/LCA".

FL370esq

It's not a status quo issue because 1) we are not in RLA Section 6 negotitations; and 2) there is no status quo with regard to the CSeries/A220 category because the category has yet to exist.

The "project pilot" concept was also done on the A350. Would you agree that you need LCAs to get the category up and running by providing OE to pilots on the line? If you wait to identify LCAs until after the initial AE bid award, by the time they are trained and have at least some experience and familiarity, a good chunk of the conversion window has passed before training can begin for normal line swine. Further, what if only a few of those awarded elect to become LCAs? This is just the cost of getting a new aircraft up and running and it is way more "expensive" because, as said previously, the Company will often be buying rotations from both the Capt and the FO to accomplish OE.

sailingfun

Exactly and it’s nothing new. Happens on every new aircraft introduction. In fact the company for the first 6 months does not even need to use Delta pilots!

perform all training and checking of pilots in an aircraft. Exception: Personnel employed or contracted by an aircraft manufacturer may perform aircraft training and checking in connection with the introduction of a new aircraft type or aircraft model during a period ending on the 180th day after the in-service date of such new aircraft type or aircraft model.

Rooster435

Freeze question.

If I’m MD’d to the same category/seat in another base does my freeze disappear just like if I was displaced to a different category.