Originally Posted by Han Solo

Somewhat off topic, but anybody here done the short course from 717a to MD88a? In the unlikely event I get displaced I'm considering a move to the dark side. I'm interested in how long/challenging the training was and how much shock I'd be in for dealing with the realities of the 88 vs the 717. PMs are fine since the specifics would be off topic here.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Han Solo

Somewhat off topic, but anybody here done the short course from 717a to MD88a? In the unlikely event I get displaced I'm considering a move to the dark side. I'm interested in how long/challenging the training was and how much shock I'd be in for dealing with the realities of the 88 vs the 717. PMs are fine since the specifics would be off topic here.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by GliderCFI

I asked this question in upgrade and was told there isn't a short course....or if there was, no one had braved it. I DO hear that the other direction 88->717 short course is a fire hose. I'd think going to the 88 from 717 would be similar to a kick to the nuts.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

For perspective, I feel the angst of those that have CJO's.(that are deferred until????) They probably made real life decisions based on info that changed. I truly empathize.....if you are military, welcome to the airline business(here is your kick in your junk), if you have been around a while, you should know better

Originally Posted by FL370esq

I originally thought the same, Denny. However, if that was the case, it would seem the last AE/MD (Award Date: 30 April 2018) would have had fewer displacements/contingency displacements.

The DTW350B comes to mind, especially in light of the fact that the CR letter which accompanied the posting said the 350 needed to be manned for approx. 200 crews by summer of 2019 (there were approx. 165 FOs at the time). Despite a published/implied need in the letter for 35 additional FOs by summer of 2019, the Company offered no vacancies for 350 FOs and, as a result, 9 were displaced (who can now use reinstatement rights to return to the 350 seeing as the 350B now has 36 vacancies posted. This is the confusing part of CR's modus operandi/"planning.").

Also, one SEA330B was displaced (by a DTW330B)....who then displaced an ATL 330B who displaced a NYC320A that became an ATL320B. Why not just overstaff by one in DTW or SEA to avoid that churn if they can?

And you recall correctly - the Company can modify the award (offer fewer...but not more vacancies/displacements than were posted, contingency vacancies excepted).

Originally Posted by GliderCFI

I asked this question in upgrade and was told there isn't a short course....or if there was, no one had braved it. I DO hear that the other direction 88->717 short course is a fire hose. I'd think going to the 88 from 717 would be similar to a kick to the nuts.

Originally Posted by Han Solo

Thanks.

As a follow up, if I were to just go back to the ER after roughly a year away, would it be a full month on Va Ave as well as a full OE/TOE?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Ok, I’m not a “specifics” guy. I’m sure they do what you are suggesting but I bet it’s fairly limited. My guess is they gauge how much to backfill by how much training is available in different categories, if there’s more training available, they will backfill more and vice versa. Take the MOAB from last year, I don’t remember there being a lot of backfill........training was all taken up by AE’s and displacements.

I’m just getting tired of making sure my MD bid is up to date. What can’t they just leave me alone and I won’t move categories until I move out! (Retire)

Denny

Originally Posted by Doody

When bidding on the AE and only wanting a certain position if one could hold a line what low percentage on average should one put in the bid?


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