03 July AE
07-04-2018, 08:39 PM
#201
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IIRC, the company can modify how many positions it actually awards vice what is in the AE.
Denny
07-04-2018, 08:50 PM
#202
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
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Sorry, is this a contest for length of time on the forum?
Did not know this was a junk measuring contest and length of time was the sole arbiter of ability to post......hailing Plouffe....see my point?
If 20,000 posts makes him the most viril then I acquiesce. But he would be prepubescent compared to " he I shall not name again" and I but an embryo, compared to both of them
If it is 10 years of whining , I wont be here long enough to hear it
Did not know this was a junk measuring contest and length of time was the sole arbiter of ability to post......hailing Plouffe....see my point?
If 20,000 posts makes him the most viril then I acquiesce. But he would be prepubescent compared to " he I shall not name again" and I but an embryo, compared to both of them
If it is 10 years of whining , I wont be here long enough to hear it
No contest.
07-04-2018, 09:01 PM
#203
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), he has always been knowledgeable and civil. More than I can say for a lot of people that have come and gone from this forum. And no, I'm not pointing a finger at you BR. I enjoy your posts too.Denny
07-05-2018, 03:52 AM
#204
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Position: DAL 330
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Ok, some seem to take offense at my satire Let me try a different tack. CR said they would close the DTW 777 base....they did. They said they would expand the DTW 350 base.....they did. They said they would open a MSP 330 base.... they did..Draw down/ close md88....done . Open the cs100.... done......in NYC?....done . Another location, possibly LAX.....dine and not quite. Opensed it in SLC not LAX. So.... liar, liar pants on fire???
So, if a pilot read the CR newsletter, sold his house, moved to LA in anticipation of a new CA100 base because they felt sure they could hold it( if /when the AE was published), then I can understand the gnashing of teeth. If however, one waited for the AE....bid it....looked at the results of said AE.....one might go ....what's the BFD
It's analagous to being disappointed when unwrapping Christmas presents as a kid and you didn't get what you think your parents insinuated you would get. Did you call them liars and their present sh@t? It's better than a lump of coal and probably not worthy of the characterization (nee statement) that CR lies, purposely misleads, is incompetent and/or their newsletter is bulls@@@t.
Again, if you believe it is trash, why read it and then let it upset you? Nobody has answered that original question although you certainly have some ardent supporters.....maybe they can pull out the talking points memo and provide a brother a clue
Signed,
Waiting for the clue bird
So, if a pilot read the CR newsletter, sold his house, moved to LA in anticipation of a new CA100 base because they felt sure they could hold it( if /when the AE was published), then I can understand the gnashing of teeth. If however, one waited for the AE....bid it....looked at the results of said AE.....one might go ....what's the BFD
It's analagous to being disappointed when unwrapping Christmas presents as a kid and you didn't get what you think your parents insinuated you would get. Did you call them liars and their present sh@t? It's better than a lump of coal and probably not worthy of the characterization (nee statement) that CR lies, purposely misleads, is incompetent and/or their newsletter is bulls@@@t.
Again, if you believe it is trash, why read it and then let it upset you? Nobody has answered that original question although you certainly have some ardent supporters.....maybe they can pull out the talking points memo and provide a brother a clue
Signed,
Waiting for the clue bird
Guys,
No need for a good old fashioned forum fight. Buck has not yet learned to appreciate FTB’s rapier sharp wit - I am sure he will and we need more senior guys to provide input, so keep posting Buck.
As to Crew Resources - they have a pretty tough job trying to plan out a year ahead when all of their variables are continually changing. Kind of like being the Ops O in a Navy squadron - you do the best you have with your current info but realize that your “plan” is just a starting point to deviate from.
I do take issue with one of Bucks comments (I would bold it if I knew how on the I-Pad, help anyone) Future C series Captains can’t afford to buy a house in LA.
. A shack , maybe but not a house.Scoop
Seriously how do you select text on the I-Pad?
And how come when I try to scroll up and down the whole page moves instead of the text block? I guess I am just a friggin Luddite.
Scoop
07-05-2018, 03:52 AM
#205
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Huh? I would have said sure they can. I thought they did this all the time to cut down on backfill requirements. I could foresee this happening in Seattle A330A. There are currently 61 in category. 6 retirements by the end of the year. If 5 DTW 777A's displaced into Seattle 330A, I could see the company carrying a bit heavier category in Seattle until the end of the year. They have now just avoided a boatload of displacements/training.
IIRC, the company can modify how many positions it actually awards vice what is in the AE.
Denny
IIRC, the company can modify how many positions it actually awards vice what is in the AE.
Denny
The DTW350B comes to mind, especially in light of the fact that the CR letter which accompanied the posting said the 350 needed to be manned for approx. 200 crews by summer of 2019 (there were approx. 165 FOs at the time). Despite a published/implied need in the letter for 35 additional FOs by summer of 2019, the Company offered no vacancies for 350 FOs and, as a result, 9 were displaced (who can now use reinstatement rights to return to the 350 seeing as the 350B now has 36 vacancies posted. This is the confusing part of CR's modus operandi/"planning.").
Also, one SEA330B was displaced (by a DTW330B)....who then displaced an ATL 330B who displaced a NYC320A that became an ATL320B. Why not just overstaff by one in DTW or SEA to avoid that churn if they can?
And you recall correctly - the Company can modify the award (offer fewer...but not more vacancies/displacements than were posted, contingency vacancies excepted).
07-05-2018, 05:39 AM
#206
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Newk, Denny, Rocky and all you guys
... and even you Buck.
That is all.
Well wait. Not quite.
Buck,
Here's the simple truth from Crew Resources: bid what you want and want what you bid... right?
but CR is not opposed to persuading you to want to bid what they want you to bid.
Great case in point. 717 EIS: M88 pilots transition to 717 was a easy (for CR) 5 day transition course and sims were limited. Hey really needed 88 guys to bid 717.
CR newsletter prior to that was all doom and gloom for ATL88 saying it would be reduced and no backfill and some fluff about why 717 would be better. AE results come out, they got their transition guys and they expanded ATLM88. There was no doom and gloom then for ATL88.
That was my red pill into how they work. And I've seen stuff sense offline. Especially with fleet planning.
Love,
FTB
... and even you Buck.
That is all.
Well wait. Not quite.
Buck,
Here's the simple truth from Crew Resources: bid what you want and want what you bid... right?
but CR is not opposed to persuading you to want to bid what they want you to bid.
Great case in point. 717 EIS: M88 pilots transition to 717 was a easy (for CR) 5 day transition course and sims were limited. Hey really needed 88 guys to bid 717.
CR newsletter prior to that was all doom and gloom for ATL88 saying it would be reduced and no backfill and some fluff about why 717 would be better. AE results come out, they got their transition guys and they expanded ATLM88. There was no doom and gloom then for ATL88.
That was my red pill into how they work. And I've seen stuff sense offline. Especially with fleet planning.
Love,
FTB
07-05-2018, 05:53 AM
#207
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 269
Newk, Denny, Rocky and all you guys
... and even you Buck.
That is all.
Well wait. Not quite.
Buck,
Here's the simple truth from Crew Resources: bid what you want and want what you bid... right?
but CR is not opposed to persuading you to want to bid what they want you to bid.
Great case in point. 717 EIS: M88 pilots transition to 717 was a easy (for CR) 5 day transition course and sims were limited. Hey really needed 88 guys to bid 717.
CR newsletter prior to that was all doom and gloom for ATL88 saying it would be reduced and no backfill and some fluff about why 717 would be better. AE results come out, they got their transition guys and they expanded ATLM88. There was no doom and gloom then for ATL88.
That was my red pill into how they work. And I've seen stuff sense offline. Especially with fleet planning.
Love,
FTB
... and even you Buck.
That is all.
Well wait. Not quite.
Buck,
Here's the simple truth from Crew Resources: bid what you want and want what you bid... right?
but CR is not opposed to persuading you to want to bid what they want you to bid.
Great case in point. 717 EIS: M88 pilots transition to 717 was a easy (for CR) 5 day transition course and sims were limited. Hey really needed 88 guys to bid 717.
CR newsletter prior to that was all doom and gloom for ATL88 saying it would be reduced and no backfill and some fluff about why 717 would be better. AE results come out, they got their transition guys and they expanded ATLM88. There was no doom and gloom then for ATL88.
That was my red pill into how they work. And I've seen stuff sense offline. Especially with fleet planning.
Love,
FTB
07-05-2018, 06:25 AM
#209
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 128
In case you weren't joking......
Most of the time you can simply just touch and hold the word.
Sometimes the text is in a box and it requires you to tap once to insert the cursor into the word and then you just press and hold.
Because it varies, my habit is to just always insert the cursor first.
Most of the time you can simply just touch and hold the word.
Sometimes the text is in a box and it requires you to tap once to insert the cursor into the word and then you just press and hold.
Because it varies, my habit is to just always insert the cursor first.
07-05-2018, 07:03 AM
#210
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
I originally thought the same, Denny. However, if that was the case, it would seem the last AE/MD (Award Date: 30 April 2018) would have had fewer displacements/contingency displacements.
The DTW350B comes to mind, especially in light of the fact that the CR letter which accompanied the posting said the 350 needed to be manned for approx. 200 crews by summer of 2019 (there were approx. 165 FOs at the time). Despite a published/implied need in the letter for 35 additional FOs by summer of 2019, the Company offered no vacancies for 350 FOs and, as a result, 9 were displaced (who can now use reinstatement rights to return to the 350 seeing as the 350B now has 36 vacancies posted. This is the confusing part of CR's modus operandi/"planning.").
Also, one SEA330B was displaced (by a DTW330B)....who then displaced an ATL 330B who displaced a NYC320A that became an ATL320B. Why not just overstaff by one in DTW or SEA to avoid that churn if they can?
And you recall correctly - the Company can modify the award (offer fewer...but not more vacancies/displacements than were posted, contingency vacancies excepted).
The DTW350B comes to mind, especially in light of the fact that the CR letter which accompanied the posting said the 350 needed to be manned for approx. 200 crews by summer of 2019 (there were approx. 165 FOs at the time). Despite a published/implied need in the letter for 35 additional FOs by summer of 2019, the Company offered no vacancies for 350 FOs and, as a result, 9 were displaced (who can now use reinstatement rights to return to the 350 seeing as the 350B now has 36 vacancies posted. This is the confusing part of CR's modus operandi/"planning.").
Also, one SEA330B was displaced (by a DTW330B)....who then displaced an ATL 330B who displaced a NYC320A that became an ATL320B. Why not just overstaff by one in DTW or SEA to avoid that churn if they can?
And you recall correctly - the Company can modify the award (offer fewer...but not more vacancies/displacements than were posted, contingency vacancies excepted).
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