RJ Scope
07-28-2017, 11:00 AM
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I don't know if the MRJ will be the driving force behind the upcoming RJ Scope relief attempt or not. But I suspect it will play a role, and we will be bribed with our own flying to allow it, and threatened with doom and gloom over Mullin's pathetic incompetent deal he made with SKYW and the ATL gates issue etc. We may even hear Chicken Little versions of how ME3 is going to take over the hub with their valuable feed and all that. Please. I think the company wants this, and the rhetoric will get extreme, with some on our side already receptive to it, but most of the membership not ready to fall for it.
It worked so well in 90's at NWA, DAL, the UAL midterm ESOP, etc. Where the heck did Carl Spackler go. He did an excellent job once articulating how well that worked.
Sadly (NOT ALL) pilots have short memoies, HJS, or just self interests that the wash/rinse/repeat management tactic can get played over and over.
07-28-2017, 11:04 AM
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The 50 seat RJ's are still very necessary for slots at some airports, they also serve as cancellation fodder during IROP, so mainline flights don't cancel.
The MRJ is really unlikely to get relief from Delta pilots, if anything, I could see management wanting relief on the ERJ175 weight limit, to replace some old CRJ900s with ERJ175E2's. That's years away though.
The MRJ is really unlikely to get relief from Delta pilots, if anything, I could see management wanting relief on the ERJ175 weight limit, to replace some old CRJ900s with ERJ175E2's. That's years away though.
07-28-2017, 11:07 AM
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I say hold the line regardless. Not one more seat, not one more pound, not one more jet. If SKYW wants to make a bet the company decision on that jet, so be it. Cut them off, fast and hard. The ATL gates in question are of little to no use for them without DL. Maybe they could sell some but SWA probably isn't interested, and the so called LCC's can only do so much, as most markets there are already more than competitive.
07-28-2017, 01:04 PM
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Even the RAH issue was a joke. It wasn't that many slots, and wouldn't have changed the model much if they were cut loose (we likely would have ended up with some of them anyway).
SKYW has almost zero leverage over DAL, and DAL has WAY more over them. Let them overplay their hand and choke on their fantasy jets.
07-28-2017, 05:15 PM
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I say hold the line regardless. Not one more seat, not one more pound, not one more jet. If SKYW wants to make a bet the company decision on that jet, so be it. Cut them off, fast and hard. The ATL gates in question are of little to no use for them without DL. Maybe they could sell some but SWA probably isn't interested, and the so called LCC's can only do so much, as most markets there are already more than competitive.
No scope relief. Let them eat those jets.
07-28-2017, 06:26 PM
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I'm not sure what happens if SKYW makes decisions on their ends that force DL's hand. In any case how many (if any) actual slots do they own in NYC/DCA? ATL is a gate issue, and I've heard different versions. In any case, let the chips fall where they may. No scope relief. Sorry.
Even the RAH issue was a joke. It wasn't that many slots, and wouldn't have changed the model much if they were cut loose (we likely would have ended up with some of them anyway).
SKYW has almost zero leverage over DAL, and DAL has WAY more over them. Let them overplay their hand and choke on their fantasy jets.
Even the RAH issue was a joke. It wasn't that many slots, and wouldn't have changed the model much if they were cut loose (we likely would have ended up with some of them anyway).
SKYW has almost zero leverage over DAL, and DAL has WAY more over them. Let them overplay their hand and choke on their fantasy jets.
07-29-2017, 09:32 AM
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I'm not sure what happens if SKYW makes decisions on their ends that force DL's hand. In any case how many (if any) actual slots do they own in NYC/DCA? ATL is a gate issue, and I've heard different versions. In any case, let the chips fall where they may. No scope relief. Sorry.
Even the RAH issue was a joke. It wasn't that many slots, and wouldn't have changed the model much if they were cut loose (we likely would have ended up with some of them anyway).
SKYW has almost zero leverage over DAL, and DAL has WAY more over them. Let them overplay their hand and choke on their fantasy jets.
Even the RAH issue was a joke. It wasn't that many slots, and wouldn't have changed the model much if they were cut loose (we likely would have ended up with some of them anyway).
SKYW has almost zero leverage over DAL, and DAL has WAY more over them. Let them overplay their hand and choke on their fantasy jets.
If I know anything about SkyWest, and based on what I hear from friends at the HQ, I wouldn't be surprised if they open a leasing division and lease the MRJs out to foreign carriers. If those airplanes ever fly in the US, it will be by SkyWest under their own brand. But that doesn't really make sense with all of the 175s they already own and operate. But rest assured, SkyWest has a plan and 3 backup plans. Those boys in SGU don't take a dump without a plan, and their record for making money is nearly perfect. Only mistake they ever made was buying Expressjet. Why did they do this? United tried to leverage them out in the CAL merger, and they got desperate, like a cornered animal. DAL could probably have similar success.
07-29-2017, 09:37 AM
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SkyWest "owns" the gates in ATL but is leasing them back to DAL. They don't own any gates or slots in the NYC area, all of those are "owned" by the mainline partners. If DAL wanted to stick it to SkyWest, they would fire ASA or at least kick them out of ATL (which it sounds like is happening). Like said above, that makes the gates mostly worthless. It's unlikely the LCCs want to expand in ATL enough to want them. DAL could call their bluff.
If I know anything about SkyWest, and based on what I hear from friends at the HQ, I wouldn't be surprised if they open a leasing division and lease the MRJs out to foreign carriers. If those airplanes ever fly in the US, it will be by SkyWest under their own brand. But that doesn't really make sense with all of the 175s they already own and operate. But rest assured, SkyWest has a plan and 3 backup plans. Those boys in SGU don't take a dump without a plan, and their record for making money is nearly perfect. Only mistake they ever made was buying Expressjet. Why did they do this? United tried to leverage them out in the CAL merger, and they got desperate, like a cornered animal. DAL could probably have similar success.
If I know anything about SkyWest, and based on what I hear from friends at the HQ, I wouldn't be surprised if they open a leasing division and lease the MRJs out to foreign carriers. If those airplanes ever fly in the US, it will be by SkyWest under their own brand. But that doesn't really make sense with all of the 175s they already own and operate. But rest assured, SkyWest has a plan and 3 backup plans. Those boys in SGU don't take a dump without a plan, and their record for making money is nearly perfect. Only mistake they ever made was buying Expressjet. Why did they do this? United tried to leverage them out in the CAL merger, and they got desperate, like a cornered animal. DAL could probably have similar success.
07-29-2017, 09:50 AM
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I also wouldn't be surprised if SKW and AAY were talking about doing something.
07-29-2017, 10:58 AM
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I'm not familiar with DAL scope. Would they be allowed to do it on a separate certificate? Perhaps with the old XJT/ASA certificate? Or maybe it's their exit plan for when their RJs are no longer needed by the big 3? All I do know is it's something they are talking about.
I also wouldn't be surprised if SKW and AAY were talking about doing something.
I also wouldn't be surprised if SKW and AAY were talking about doing something.
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