RJ Scope
07-28-2017, 07:41 AM
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07-28-2017, 07:44 AM
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07-28-2017, 09:34 AM
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MRJ as a freighter is one of the more ridiculous rumors I've ever heard...
The MRJ fuselage is not wide enough or tall enough to fit an AAY/AAA narrowbody ULD, Mitsubishi has never discussed a dedicated Freighter version of the MRJ70/90, and one can buy a freight-proven 757 (or 737 or MD80 or even CRJ-200) and P2F it for MUCH less capital outlay than the MRJs will cost.
The MRJ fuselage is not wide enough or tall enough to fit an AAY/AAA narrowbody ULD, Mitsubishi has never discussed a dedicated Freighter version of the MRJ70/90, and one can buy a freight-proven 757 (or 737 or MD80 or even CRJ-200) and P2F it for MUCH less capital outlay than the MRJs will cost.
07-28-2017, 10:11 AM
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MRJ as a freighter is one of the more ridiculous rumors I've ever heard...
The MRJ fuselage is not wide enough or tall enough to fit an AAY/AAA narrowbody ULD, Mitsubishi has never discussed a dedicated Freighter version of the MRJ70/90, and one can buy a freight-proven 757 (or 737 or MD80 or even CRJ-200) and P2F it for MUCH less capital outlay than the MRJs will cost.
The MRJ fuselage is not wide enough or tall enough to fit an AAY/AAA narrowbody ULD, Mitsubishi has never discussed a dedicated Freighter version of the MRJ70/90, and one can buy a freight-proven 757 (or 737 or MD80 or even CRJ-200) and P2F it for MUCH less capital outlay than the MRJs will cost.
07-28-2017, 10:19 AM
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There is a scope compliant version of the jet (MRJ70) that no one really wants. SkyWest is the airline with a large order for the aircraft. As long as it's the MRJ70 shorter range version no issues. If they announce that they intend to acquire the MRJ90 than Delta must terminate all outsourced flying to SkyWest within 9 months of the announced intent to acquire the aircraft.
The SkyWest order is for the MRJ90 but can be optioned down to the 70. Not quite sure how that fits with the 9 month language. That would be a scope committee question. Reading it myself it seems they might be currently in violation. It's a question that should be asked.
The SkyWest order is for the MRJ90 but can be optioned down to the 70. Not quite sure how that fits with the 9 month language. That would be a scope committee question. Reading it myself it seems they might be currently in violation. It's a question that should be asked.
But don't discount (insert airline here) placing orders/options on a jet at a low low introductory price, THEN selling them later to another carrier that wants them but when orders are hard to come by and the price has gone up.
IOW, the aircraft lease/sublease/resale/hedge game.
I think that's been done before. But can't remember if it was RAH or someone else.
07-28-2017, 10:19 AM
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The plan with Amazon Prime is to run 767s between distribution hubs, with locally sourced delivery services, even drone delivery in small markets. I highly doubt the MRJ fits anywhere in that equation.
The MRJ and the ME3 makes a lot of sense however.
The MRJ and the ME3 makes a lot of sense however.
07-28-2017, 10:35 AM
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I personally believe RJ scope concerns will move to the back burner on their own. And possibly sooner than currently envisioned. A little bird said that ongoing negotiations with BBD hinge on them taking back a bunch of smaller RJs early in return for other considerations in our C-Series buy.
Going forward, as we build up the lower gauge portion of our fleet with more efficient planes, outsourced RJ flying will become increasingly irrelevant.
I personally believe RJ scope concerns will move to the back burner on their own. And possibly sooner than currently envisioned. A little bird said that ongoing negotiations with BBD hinge on them taking back a bunch of smaller RJs early in return for other considerations in our C-Series buy.
Going forward, as we build up the lower gauge portion of our fleet with more efficient planes, outsourced RJ flying will become increasingly irrelevant.
In some ways, regionals will continue to see lift transferred to mainline for several reasons.
But in other ways, whatever is left of the regional sector will face growing pressure to upgage as well.
I don't know if the MRJ will be the driving force behind the upcoming RJ Scope relief attempt or not. But I suspect it will play a role, and we will be bribed with our own flying to allow it, and threatened with doom and gloom over Mullin's pathetic incompetent deal he made with SKYW and the ATL gates issue etc. We may even hear Chicken Little versions of how ME3 is going to take over the hub with their valuable feed and all that. Please. I think the company wants this, and the rhetoric will get extreme, with some on our side already receptive to it, but most of the membership not ready to fall for it.
I say hold the line regardless. Not one more seat, not one more pound, not one more jet. If SKYW wants to make a bet the company decision on that jet, so be it. Cut them off, fast and hard. The ATL gates in question are of little to no use for them without DL. Maybe they could sell some but SWA probably isn't interested, and the so called LCC's can only do so much, as most markets there are already more than competitive.
No scope relief. Let them eat those jets.
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