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08-16-2017, 07:01 AM

#121

msprj2

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Thought I don't have any factual data. I'm pretty sure the crj900
Are a lot cheaper to operate than the 717 already.
The 717 killer is coming to you
Next year already.
I

08-16-2017, 07:14 AM

#122

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Originally Posted by msprj2

Thought I don't have any factual data. I'm pretty sure the crj900
Are a lot cheaper to operate than the 717 already.
The 717 killer is coming to you
Next year already.
I

Not when you take into account the acquisition costs. The deal we got from Southwest on the 717's is probably impossible to beat or replicate again.

08-16-2017, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by msprj2

Thought I don't have any factual data. I'm pretty sure the crj900
Are a lot cheaper to operate than the 717 already.
The 717 killer is coming to you
Next year already.
I

We have as of June 217 large RJ's. They can bring on 6 more CRJ-900's but will have to reduce CRJ-70's by 3 and the fifty seaters by 3. I doubt that will kill the 717.
There are no plans by anyone to reengine the CRJ-900. There is a new variant of the CF34 that will come on CRJ-900 new deliveries. It is 1% more efficient than the current version. The E175 improvements have boosted efficiency by over 6% with the bigger wing and its killed CRJ-900 sales. Customers vastly prefer the EMB series.
If someone started tomorrow to reengine the 900 it would take at least 5 years to certify. The problem is there is no suitable candidate as the geared motors are to heavy on a aft mounted airframe.

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08-16-2017, 07:23 AM

#124

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Originally Posted by msprj2

What's the thought on exchanging numbers of large
Rj's for increased gtow?
Say 250 max airframes of 76
Seats for a 5,000lb wt increase???

If we are stupid enough to give one pound of scope relief in a negotiated contract we will deserve all that follows. Optimistically I think that DALPA may have learned a lesson or two via TA-15, foremost among them:

When the company says "There is no more money on the table" that this is just a bargaining tactic. I mean really, does anybody negotiate via "Well this is our current offer, if you refuse it we will sweeten the pot?"

And additionally DALPA should bring the TA forward in a neutral manner and not try to sell it like Kurt Russell in used cars. Despite the attempts at revision "We did not try to sell TA-15" in my opinion this clip is a pretty accurate depiction of DALPA trying to sell TA-15 a contract that they called "Industry leading in every category!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUs1HZIrMMQ

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08-16-2017, 12:00 PM

#125

gzsg

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Originally Posted by msprj2

I'm talking about reducing the number by 50-100 airframes
In exchange for 5,000lbs.

My guess is the crj900 will be re-engined and still be able to meet
The 86k limits.

It would offer flexibility to the company but reduce DC size???

Never ever.

08-16-2017, 01:29 PM

#126

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Originally Posted by msprj2

What's the thought on exchanging numbers of large
Rj's for increased gtow?
Say 250 max airframes of 76
Seats for a 5,000lb wt increase???

NOT 1 MORE SEAT!
NOT 1 MORE FRAME!
NOT 1 MORE POUND!

12 years at the regionals. They need to shrink and die to stop the whipsaw.

08-16-2017, 01:33 PM

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People are arguing the issue of gate leases, but I am wondering about the ExpressJet hangar in ATL. The old Eastern hangar. Would they give that up?

08-16-2017, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueRidger328

People are arguing the issue of gate leases, but I am wondering about the ExpressJet hangar in ATL. The old Eastern hangar. Would they give that up?

I don't know about the hangar but I am sure that Delta in the agreement to wind down expressjet already settled any potential issues with the gates.

08-16-2017, 03:42 PM

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Redbird611

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Originally Posted by BlueRidger328

People are arguing the issue of gate leases, but I am wondering about the ExpressJet hangar in ATL. The old Eastern hangar. Would they give that up?

I've heard Delta is getting the hangar space but XJT is retaining the office space for the time being.

08-16-2017, 04:58 PM

#130

Planetrain

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Originally Posted by msprj2

Ok my bad. I thought max large
Rj's was around 325. I was talking about reducing that #.

Large RJs are close to 325.
Soon to be 223 76 seaters + the existing 102 70 seaters = 325 large RJs.

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