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Old 09-03-2017, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
Airline economics have always been about "what will it cost me today", not "how much will it save me 5-10 years from now." I doubt that will change.
You are correct, sir. If you're the CEO today and plan on running, let's say some fictitious train company in a few years from now, why would you care about costs 10 years down the road? You're gonna be worried about getting cheap stuff to pump stocks. Next, you'll be worrying about getting trains there tomorrow while you're working your shipping company CEO job potential. Nevermind the trains will break 5-10 years from now due to a decision you made today. Who cares? You got yours!
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
You are correct, sir. If you're the CEO today and plan on running, let's say some fictitious train company in a few years from now, why would you care about costs 10 years down the road? You're gonna be worried about getting cheap stuff to pump stocks. Next, you'll be worrying about getting trains there tomorrow while you're working your shipping company CEO job potential. Nevermind the trains will break 5-10 years from now due to a decision you made today. Who cares? You got yours!
You just summed up our management team........
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Old 09-03-2017, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
Airline economics have always been about "what will it cost me today", not "how much will it save me 5-10 years from now." I doubt that will change.
That is the main reason why unmanned (or even single-pilot) airliners are unlikely in the foreseeable future. It can be done, but it won't return enough money in time to adequately reward the CEOs who must pay for it in advance. They are not interested in eroding today's stock price and dividends to enrich their distant successors.
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Old 09-05-2017, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have never heard of a aircraft being sold with a range restriction in the contract.
(I have not read all comments to see if this particular one had been adressed - just in case):

"Parenthetically, the Delta testimony revealed that its transaction with BBD priced the CS100 as a 1,000-mile airplane. Should Delta begin using the aircraft on longer routes, additional monies will be paid to Bombardier."

https://leehamnews.com/2017/05/25/bo...ms/#more-23528
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fbeaulie
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"Parenthetically, the Delta testimony revealed that its transaction with BBD priced the CS100 as a 1,000-mile airplane. Should Delta begin using the aircraft on longer routes, additional monies will be paid to Bombardier."

https://leehamnews.com/2017/05/25/bo...ms/#more-23528
Wow very interesting. Although that 1,000 miles would not allow it to reach LAX-DFW (1,074 nm) or LGA-DFW (1,207 nm). Maybe they were rounding?
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fbeaulie
(I have not read all comments to see if this particular one had been adressed - just in case):

"Parenthetically, the Delta testimony revealed that its transaction with BBD priced the CS100 as a 1,000-mile airplane. Should Delta begin using the aircraft on longer routes, additional monies will be paid to Bombardier."

https://leehamnews.com/2017/05/25/bo...ms/#more-23528
Well that answers that question, but why not pay the extra money, airplanes are better utilized, and more cost efficient to their max range.


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Old 09-05-2017, 06:07 PM
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Well that answers that question, but why not pay the extra money, airplanes are better utilized, and more cost efficient to their max range.
Haha haven't seen that one yet.

But what you said doesn't make sense. It's pretty rare that any plane flies it's max range on a given route. If you don't need it, don't pay for it. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing...
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:20 PM
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"Airline officials also rejected the MAX 7 as an option even if delivery slots had been available, calling the airplane rooted in 1960s design, an inefficient shrink of the MAX 8 and uneconomic vs the CSeries."

This is the best part of the whole article. The entire 737 line should be shut down. What a piece of junk.
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:01 AM
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"Airline officials also rejected the MAX 7 as an option even if delivery slots had been available, calling the airplane rooted in 1960s design, an inefficient shrink of the MAX 8 and uneconomic vs the CSeries."

This is the best part of the whole article. The entire 737 line should be shut down. What a piece of junk.
Yet two of the most financially successful airlines in the world operate it exclusively. I guess operating cost and dispatch reliability are considered important by some.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet two of the most financially successful airlines in the world operate it exclusively. I guess operating cost and dispatch reliability are considered important by some.
I think the 737's dispatch reliability is directly related to it's lack of EICAS. Sometimes it's better not to know.
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