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There are no range restrictions in the contract. I also don't know where the 1500 miles came from. The one chart shows the CS100 capable of NYC to SLC with every seat full against winter headwinds which is 1730 miles. SLC is the intermediate stop for fuel by JetBlues A320's often in the winter. That range line may also include fuel to a divert however it does not state either way. This puts the range right where Bombardier states for the standard aircraft. They offer a high gross weight version which is what they typically quote for range. We purchased the standard model.
As someone recently corrected me, the preview states that we purchased the 134K MTOW version, which is the higher weight version, if there is such a thing. I just got ahold of some technical publications from Bombardier for airport planning. This is what I understand from that:
The engine types are broken out for balanced field performance. As you would expect, those charts vary based on temp, altitude etc, and there is a different chart for each engine.
Here's where it gets interesting though. There's only one chart for payload range, applicable to the CS100. The engine type isn't included as a factor. For a 134K MTOW, the range-- ISA standard sea level day, no wind, is 2760NM. That's assuming 120 passengers. Ours will be configured for 109 pax, according to the preview. That takes the ZFW down another 2400lbs, using the 225lb pax weight that Bombardier assumes. According to the spaghetti chart, that takes the still air range out to 3100NM. So that's 3100NM for a two class configuration, just like the Bombardier sales literature says.
Guess what? The 1950NM range that the preview states matches up on the chart with MZFW, 111K. Is that a realistic, everyday assumption? Not sure.
Also, what you said about SLC, is part of the reason that it would make sense to base the aircraft there, not on a coast that it needs a fuel stop to make it to the other base... but who says any of this needs to make sense?
Last edited by flyallnite; 09-03-2017 at 10:01 AM.
#552
FWIW, a ground school instructor at the LGB factory said that we bought the 160k MGTOW MD-88 but only had it certified to 149.5k, in order to save on landing fees. We also had the forward airstair removed and put in storage. These moves could be reversed in order to increase the resale value of the airplane down the road.
#553
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FWIW, a ground school instructor at the LGB factory said that we bought the 160k MGTOW MD-88 but only had it certified to 149.5k, in order to save on landing fees. We also had the forward airstair removed and put in storage. These moves could be reversed in order to increase the resale value of the airplane down the road.
#554
FWIW, a ground school instructor at the LGB factory said that we bought the 160k MGTOW MD-88 but only had it certified to 149.5k, in order to save on landing fees. We also had the forward airstair removed and put in storage. These moves could be reversed in order to increase the resale value of the airplane down the road.
LGB being the German toy train manufacture, or who?
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Or instead of an inland base with the coasts as outstations, they can have the coasts be bases (LAX, NYC) and the inland cities be the outstations. You don't necessarily need direct base to base flying capability.
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There are no range restrictions in the contract. I also don't know where the 1500 miles came from. The one chart shows the CS100 capable of NYC to SLC with every seat full against winter headwinds which is 1730 miles. SLC is the intermediate stop for fuel by JetBlues A320's often in the winter. That range line may also include fuel to a divert however it does not state either way. This puts the range right where Bombardier states for the standard aircraft. They offer a high gross weight version which is what they typically quote for range. We purchased the standard model.
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