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11-09-2019, 04:23 PM
#3821
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I believe spirit included the 319N in their purchase when some here thought they'd for sure add complexity to their operation with a small seperate sub fleet because of fuel casm.
Swan's herb evidently loved to show Boeing folks his Airbus garb. If they need airplanes in the hundreds and fast the 220 ain't the way to go.
The 1990s advantage of the 319 over the old 320 engines are gone. The 320N now has great performance and the same 20% off fuel burn from GTF engines. Might as well go big.
But even with the 220 in the Airbus line, airbus' Faury says the 319 is staying and in many ways is still superior to the 220 which leads me to believe Airbus is real-Airbus first and the 225 is a no go.
Swan's herb evidently loved to show Boeing folks his Airbus garb. If they need airplanes in the hundreds and fast the 220 ain't the way to go.
The 1990s advantage of the 319 over the old 320 engines are gone. The 320N now has great performance and the same 20% off fuel burn from GTF engines. Might as well go big.
But even with the 220 in the Airbus line, airbus' Faury says the 319 is staying and in many ways is still superior to the 220 which leads me to believe Airbus is real-Airbus first and the 225 is a no go.
The thing about the A220 and stretching is that you'd still have common types but then this also gives you a common type pull for airlines that want a 220. This is also a way to get a modern airframe design into that segment without having to start over with a new one which would allow airbus to go to a bigger design range if they did decide to design a replacement for the A320 series.
11-09-2019, 09:34 PM
#3822
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Posts: 2,552
11-13-2019, 02:52 PM
#3824
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Position: Light Chop
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1XM2VX
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
11-13-2019, 04:00 PM
#3825
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1XM2VX
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
I’m not surprised the French came out on that side of the sports car debate, though.
11-13-2019, 06:33 PM
#3827
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 706
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1XM2VX
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
11-13-2019, 06:56 PM
#3828
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: Middle Seat
Posts: 1,229
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1XM2VX
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
NOVEMBER 12, 2019 / 5:59 PM / A DAY AGO
Airbus says could stretch A220 airliner, but has no current plan to do so
David Ljunggren
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Airbus SE’s (AIR.PA) Canadian-designed A220 narrowbody jet has the potential to be stretched to carry more passengers but the company has no current plans to do so, a top executive said on Tuesday.
FILE PHOTO: A model of the Airbus A220-300 aircraft is seen at a media event at Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India, November 12, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis - RC2L9D9BABBV/File Photo
Air France KLM SA (AIRF.PA), which has a firm order for 60 A220 jets, has expressed interest in a larger variant of the plane. The A220-100 model can carry from 100-120 passengers while the larger A220-300 takes from 120-150.
In a presentation to investors, Air France KLM last week posted a slide referring to a larger A220-500 plane.
“It’s no secret that the aircraft has potential to be stretched, potential to grow,” said Philippe Balducchi, head of an Airbus-led venture which took over production of the airliner in July 2018.
Airbus’ first responsibility was to make sure the two existing planes become established in the marketplace, he told Reuters on the sidelines of an aviation conference. After that the firm would decide how to develop its planes.
“Will (there) be an A220-500 or not? I cannot tell you that today. It’s definitely not my priority but there is the potential - we will see,” said Balducchi. “One thing we do know today is a Miata is not a sports car.”
Montreal-based Bombardier (BBDb.TO) originally drew up designs for the airliner some 15 years ago but sold Airbus a 50.01 percent stake for a token fee of one Canadian dollar in 2018 after sluggish sales and low production rates pushed the program well over budget.
Balducchi sidestepped questions as to whether Airbus would buy Bombardier’s 33.58% minority stake, saying that was a decision for shareholders.
“I think Airbus is comfortable with the situation today,” said Balducchi.
Under the terms of the 2018 deal, Bombardier could oblige Airbus to acquire its stake in the program in 2026 for market value. Airbus could also oblige Bombardier to sell the stake.
Bombardier Chief Executive Alain Bellemare recently said the company is “looking at all options” regarding its stake, while specifying that such a decision “is not for today.”
The Canadian province of Quebec continues to hold a 16.41% stake in the program.
Additional reporting by Allison Lampert in Montreal; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
Just when I thought that FTB had lost, he goes and does something like this...and totally redeems himself!
11-13-2019, 07:15 PM
#3829
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: Supreme Allied Commander
Posts: 1,074
The article Airbus says exactly what anyone is expecting them to say. Anyone following this closely knows the 220 program priorities are to:
- ramp up production
- reduce cost in supply chain
- secure more net orders
- add PIPs
The -500 variant introduction is below these priorities. Until the day they formally announce it, the legalese PR speak will always be committing to the current product's sales and improvements while simultaneously acknowledging the capability to develop a stretch at a future time. Nothing confirmed in the article other than "not at this time", which we all knew already.
- ramp up production
- reduce cost in supply chain
- secure more net orders
- add PIPs
The -500 variant introduction is below these priorities. Until the day they formally announce it, the legalese PR speak will always be committing to the current product's sales and improvements while simultaneously acknowledging the capability to develop a stretch at a future time. Nothing confirmed in the article other than "not at this time", which we all knew already.
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