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06-26-2019, 12:51 PM
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The QF32 story is a good TEM study for anyone, but especially Airbus pilots.
I didn't pay attention to it because it was an A380 and I fly the 320, but a lot of what happened had similarities and we should all pay attention to what they did.
First the incident was caused by a misaligned boring of a stub pipe in the #2 RR Trent engine on the airplane. It was a QC issue not a design issue.
Not long after takeoff the engine exploded with 500 shrapnel hits on the jet, 650 wires cut, I believe every system compromised and several tires blown in the well.
They had 100 ECAMs to run and no way to talk to Qantas.
And all of these ECAMS were sent to Qantas fwiw. They're sitting in their OCC equivalent looking at all of these ECAMs going what in the hell is going on here? And then they start seeing news reports of a downed Qantas jet and they put two and two together but knew the jet was still flying.
So remember this when you're like "I'm not calling ATL Radio..." They're getting all the ECAMs and data, let the Airbus experts down there in MCC help.
But it flew on for 3 hours with the Captain on occasion stopping and asking the crew "should we just put her in the water now?" Not to be the next Swiss Air, but the crew thought they could do it.
They were leaking massive amounts of fuel by the way and only 3 of 11 fuel tanks were even working and one had a souvenir.
Fascinating stuff.
5 pilots by the way. 1 Captian, 1 FO, 1 FO/SO... and 2 LCA. And they butted heads at the outset over where the LCA would sit. Like whoa.
And when they landed, it was only after they massaged the numbers and finally got a number that made landing a possibility. As they slowed the airplane it started to buffet. Turns out the ailerons were failed and slipstreaming. So they found they couldn't get slower.
A320 Podcast
But it wasn't a bad design by Airbus. RR ate that one. Cost well over $100M to put the airplane back together and RR wrote a big check over it.
I didn't pay attention to it because it was an A380 and I fly the 320, but a lot of what happened had similarities and we should all pay attention to what they did.
First the incident was caused by a misaligned boring of a stub pipe in the #2 RR Trent engine on the airplane. It was a QC issue not a design issue.
Not long after takeoff the engine exploded with 500 shrapnel hits on the jet, 650 wires cut, I believe every system compromised and several tires blown in the well.
They had 100 ECAMs to run and no way to talk to Qantas.
And all of these ECAMS were sent to Qantas fwiw. They're sitting in their OCC equivalent looking at all of these ECAMs going what in the hell is going on here? And then they start seeing news reports of a downed Qantas jet and they put two and two together but knew the jet was still flying.
So remember this when you're like "I'm not calling ATL Radio..." They're getting all the ECAMs and data, let the Airbus experts down there in MCC help.
But it flew on for 3 hours with the Captain on occasion stopping and asking the crew "should we just put her in the water now?" Not to be the next Swiss Air, but the crew thought they could do it.
They were leaking massive amounts of fuel by the way and only 3 of 11 fuel tanks were even working and one had a souvenir.
Fascinating stuff.
5 pilots by the way. 1 Captian, 1 FO, 1 FO/SO... and 2 LCA. And they butted heads at the outset over where the LCA would sit. Like whoa.
And when they landed, it was only after they massaged the numbers and finally got a number that made landing a possibility. As they slowed the airplane it started to buffet. Turns out the ailerons were failed and slipstreaming. So they found they couldn't get slower.
A320 Podcast
But it wasn't a bad design by Airbus. RR ate that one. Cost well over $100M to put the airplane back together and RR wrote a big check over it.
06-26-2019, 02:52 PM
#3653
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06-26-2019, 07:08 PM
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A lot of that was off the top of my head remembering what was said but also on Amazon prime the is a Australian documentary on QF32. Skip the passenger interviews and tv sensationalism and you see the core story that we can correlate back to our world.
Nevermind, not on Amazon.
Try YouTube:
After I believe 90 min they landed with really no room left. 900C on the brakes and fuel tank emptying right next to the mains. Crew demanded foam and the fire trucks said only after you shutdown, they said we're shutdown, then the captain opened the window and said ####. Engine 1 won't shut down.
They were in a pickle.
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06-26-2019, 07:52 PM
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Link doesn’t work. How about some text we can search for on YouTube?
The particular podcast was an interview with the captain, its about an hour long. After listening I bought his book. He's... intense. But really good reading. Since there are a lot of similarities between the planes a 320/330/350 guy can still learn a lot.
A lot of that was off the top of my head remembering what was said but also on Amazon prime the is a Australian documentary on QF32. Skip the passenger interviews and tv sensationalism and you see the core story that we can correlate back to our world.
Nevermind, not on Amazon.
Try YouTube:
After I believe 90 min they landed with really no room left. 900C on the brakes and fuel tank emptying right next to the mains. Crew demanded foam and the fire trucks said only after you shutdown, they said we're shutdown, then the captain opened the window and said ####. Engine 1 won't shut down.
They were in a pickle.
A lot of that was off the top of my head remembering what was said but also on Amazon prime the is a Australian documentary on QF32. Skip the passenger interviews and tv sensationalism and you see the core story that we can correlate back to our world.
Nevermind, not on Amazon.
Try YouTube:
After I believe 90 min they landed with really no room left. 900C on the brakes and fuel tank emptying right next to the mains. Crew demanded foam and the fire trucks said only after you shutdown, they said we're shutdown, then the captain opened the window and said ####. Engine 1 won't shut down.
They were in a pickle.
06-26-2019, 08:14 PM
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06-26-2019, 09:29 PM
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The particular podcast was an interview with the captain, its about an hour long. After listening I bought his book. He's... intense. But really good reading. Since there are a lot of similarities between the planes a 320/330/350 guy can still learn a lot.
A lot of that was off the top of my head remembering what was said but also on Amazon prime the is a Australian documentary on QF32. Skip the passenger interviews and tv sensationalism and you see the core story that we can correlate back to our world.
Nevermind, not on Amazon.
Try YouTube:
After I believe 90 min they landed with really no room left. 900C on the brakes and fuel tank emptying right next to the mains. Crew demanded foam and the fire trucks said only after you shutdown, they said we're shutdown, then the captain opened the window and said ####. Engine 1 won't shut down.
They were in a pickle.
A lot of that was off the top of my head remembering what was said but also on Amazon prime the is a Australian documentary on QF32. Skip the passenger interviews and tv sensationalism and you see the core story that we can correlate back to our world.
Nevermind, not on Amazon.
Try YouTube:
After I believe 90 min they landed with really no room left. 900C on the brakes and fuel tank emptying right next to the mains. Crew demanded foam and the fire trucks said only after you shutdown, they said we're shutdown, then the captain opened the window and said ####. Engine 1 won't shut down.
They were in a pickle.
Thanks FTB. I’m embarrassed to say I’ve never heard of this incident. I’m on the Airbus and after 3 years, still have a lot to learn. I’ll look into this further.
06-27-2019, 04:42 AM
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I was wrong when I said every system was compromised, I think just 22 of 23 were.. dont know which one wasnt.
Basically a big bomb. Cant imagine what would have happened to the fuselage at 40 knots if the thing had exploded just the same.
Basically a big bomb. Cant imagine what would have happened to the fuselage at 40 knots if the thing had exploded just the same.
06-27-2019, 04:57 AM
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Big picture, best I recall, reoccurring ECAM on the aircraft for weeks because the RTLU 1 needed replacement because the circuit board was bent, but it would reset for a while. The ground procedure was both FACs OFF then back on, but in flight its cycle one at a time. For a reason.
On this flight it happened 3 times in a row and they ran the ECAM procedure properly. On the 4th one the captain decided to take it to a higher level. He'd pull the circuit breakers. But remember pulling CBs does not mean the system resets, you still have to cycle the pb.
So what happens when you have both FACs turned off in flight? Watch the FDR youtube below and note the AP, ATHR, rudder, normal law to alternate, etc.
Then watch how the low time startled FO handles it with the stick. Itll make you scream push.
The captain was from Indonesia and FO was french and speaking english to each other the high time captain kept saying pull down pull down, which he was trying to stay push the nose down. But he didnt override either.
The bummer is there is nothing wrong with the airplane. A RTLU 1 fault is nothing. Flying without both FACs is fine. The FO just pulled straight back and held it from 38,000 to the water.
Here is a podcast on it:
http://a320podcast.co.uk/podcasts/tap004-airasia-accident
Here is the FDR on it:
https://youtu.be/nD4pmT3Urxk
06-27-2019, 06:53 AM
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