C Series Info
07-25-2017, 10:28 AM
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To any extent you want to call the C Series subsidized, its a Canadian issue period. They sell that jet to anyone who wants it. Including ME3 and NAI if they wanted it.
ME3/NAI and the scam Bank of Boeing use US law and taxpayers to directly subsidize foreign airlines while preventing the US from extending the same subsidy to US airlines. Then there is the issue of airline subsidies at ME3 and labor law circumnavigations at NAI, both of which are against the OS agreements that all parties are a part of.
Not even close to being the same thing.
07-26-2017, 03:48 AM
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Delta needed to order Neos a while back.
07-26-2017, 08:08 AM
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07-26-2017, 09:04 AM
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Its all about costs though. The NEO is far from a "game changer" plane. While fuel burn is lower, its cost to purchase is dramatically higher, and from what I've heard engine issues (particularly the starter and other things) are still significant. I'm sure its still a net CASM advantage, but any airline that has them can still be easily gutted on any route by anyone that wants to.
07-26-2017, 02:09 PM
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Its all about costs though. The NEO is far from a "game changer" plane. While fuel burn is lower, its cost to purchase is dramatically higher, and from what I've heard engine issues (particularly the starter and other things) are still significant. I'm sure its still a net CASM advantage, but any airline that has them can still be easily gutted on any route by anyone that wants to.
07-26-2017, 04:38 PM
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Yeah I heard that the NEOs issues are far more significant that the C for some reason. Not sure if its the size difference or what. Like you said, I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash as GTF will be in the cards for everyone.
07-26-2017, 06:06 PM
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The CSeries has not had the severity of issues as the Airbus NEO's GTF engines. See the summary and the related article below:
However, one of a set of broader technical “issues” that have plagued the geared turbofan family—particularly in the PW1100G for the Airbus A320neo narrowbody–continue to affect the C Series, namely deficient durability of the engines’ combustors. As a result, Bombardier will need to replace the engines on all the airplanes it has already delivered with powerplants outfitted with newly upgraded combustors. Cromer didn’t know exactly when Pratt & Whitney would begin delivering engines equipped with the new combustors and could only offer an estimate of “the back half of this year.”
Although by the end of May Bombardier hadn’t received an engine with the new combustor, Cromer said that the engines for the C Series application have performed in revenue operations “much better” than those for the A320neo. “We have a sort of different aircraft and systems configuration because clean-sheet design,” he explained. “So, in designing the airplane from the ground up…versus a re-engined aircraft where you are installing a new engine on an existing platform and you don’t have integration choices per se.
“The maturity level that we have because of all the testing we’ve done from the very beginning, we have what I would describe as a more mature engine going into service,” added Cromer.
Engineering trades Bombardier made early in the program included a change in the design of the pylon to allow the attachment point with the engine to move forward to accommodate the large size and weight of the fan. So rather than attach the pylon near the middle of the engine, designers attached it to the fan case, thereby reducing stress on the powerplant. “What that has done is minimize this issue that the Airbus is dealing with, this bowed rotor issue, we do not have that issue and we think it’s largely because of the pylon design.”
Bombardier Keeps Faith in C Series Delivery Schedule | Air Transport News: Aviation International News
07-26-2017, 06:40 PM
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I talked to the head of the E190 program a couple of years ago and he showed me a proposed list of city lakes. Those should be here any day I am guessing. Not sure what their delay is all about, but they're coming last I heard. /SARCASM (but I did see the list of city pairs).
07-26-2017, 06:57 PM
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07-27-2017, 05:52 AM
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We are most likely within 90 days of the first CSeries bid. Kind of hard to believe that there hasn't been a decision made as to which base will be the first to get the airplane at this point.
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