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Old 02-19-2018, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They also once stated that if they could not get down to three fleets types the airline could not survive. In the end it’s the worldwide economy that drives success for airlines.
The key to understanding Delta is to know whatever they're doing is the right thing. Even when it's opposite of what they were just doing or saying.
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The key to understanding Delta is to know whatever they're doing is the right thing. Even when it's opposite of what they were just doing or saying.
Just so I know the latest flavor... was the refinery purchase genius or idiotic?
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Just so I know the latest flavor... was the refinery purchase genius or idiotic?
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Old 02-19-2018, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They also once stated that if they could not get down to three fleets types the airline could not survive. In the end it’s the worldwide economy that drives success for airlines.

Yep, and the funny thing is we went from getting down to three fleets is absolutely critical to the airlines survival to fleet flexibiliy is paramount in about a two week period.

This just happened to coincide nicely with management pushing the DAL/NWA merger and nicely justified our new found love for a diversified fleet.

Amazing how our optimal fleet make-up went from three maximum to the more the merrier overnight. Even more amazing is how this lined up exactly with managements merger talking points.

Oh well, being agile and nimble is an advantage in business, and that was one the quickest 180's anyone has ever seen.

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only 5 abreast coach seating is perfectly optimized for the 110-150 seat market.
Douglas figured that out about 55 years ago!

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Originally Posted by TED74
Just so I know the latest flavor... was the refinery purchase genius or idiotic?
It's significantly better than fuel hedging, which should never be attempted again. The question of the refinery is impossible to know, because how much of an effect did the excess supply have on broader market prices.
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Old 02-20-2018, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Douglas figured that out about 55 years ago!

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I have a feeling Douglas stumbled into that one.

To me I always noticed the 80s and 737s were about the width of a train car. I know the 737 is railroaded into Washington but was the DC9 into Long Beach?

But then again they built 2200 or so DC9/80s and right now there are 18,000 737s/320s and 11,000 more ordered.

To me the ideal width is the Ejet. 2x2 is awesome for everyone except maybe the swingers.
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Here's a wild one from the darkest of interwebs.

1. Boeing and Embraer are about to tie the knot.
2. Embraer charges Bombardier for price dumping.
3. Boeing and Embraer tie the knot and Boeing can now say there is injury to the 190 (me- i guess for anything new after the 75 cs100?).
4. Delta can't balk at the lawsuit because they want to be the launch customer of 797. And united is way better positioned there.
Then what?

Does Boeing turn the screws on Delta over CS for the 797?

There may be holes in that.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
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Then what?

Does Boeing turn the screws on Delta over CS for the 797?

There may be holes in that.
Boeing needs Delta for the 797 as well. There are many skeptics on Wall Street regarding the business case for the 797. If Delta signaled it would order 100+ copies, Wall Street will feel better. Delta has better credit quality than Norwegian or some of the other airlines claiming interest in the 797 too. It’s a win-win for both Boeing and Delta.
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Originally Posted by TED74
Just so I know the latest flavor... was the refinery purchase genius or idiotic?
The last time it was mentioned (response to a direct question), the answer was that even with the lower oil prices it is reducing our crack spread (the upcharge we pay for refined fuel over what the base oil costs the refinery). I think the statement was that it's more efficient at high oil prices, but is still saving us money.

With the amount of fuel we consume, if it is really reducing our fuel costs (after expenses), even if it's 1 cent a gallon or less, it could still be resulting in significant savings.
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