C Series Info
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Ed gave a briefing in the A lounge this week and one of the presentation slide said the C Series is to be used to target “long haul competitive markets.” Take that for what it’s worth but there seems to be strong conflicting information out there as to exact mission it will do.
Saw this food for thought:
No, its not smart to put a new and expensive aircraft on a long and thin route. It locks these planes up for significant blocks of time and when you have to pay off the price of these aircraft, you need high utilization and profitable routes. It makes sense for Delta to put the A319 on these long and thin routes since that aircraft is already paid off for and can be blocked out on these long routes. There is a reason routes like SEA-IND/RDU/MKE/MSY/etc or SLC-BNA/STL/PIT/etc are operating with the A319. Given that DL is getting a big discount on the CSeries by using them on shorter routes, yes, it makes sense to use the A319 for longer routes instead of a CSeries. The CSeries will be a great cost reducer on frequent/shuttle routes on large RJ/B717's like LAX-SFO/SEA, NYC-ORD/DCA/BOS, CVG/RDU-LGA, etc. That gives a lot of fuel savings and increased efficiency.
It is possible that a few long routes emerge, but expect these to be anomalies, not the normal usage of the aircraft. These will be routes where Delta can command a premium based on O&D pax.
It is possible that a few long routes emerge, but expect these to be anomalies, not the normal usage of the aircraft. These will be routes where Delta can command a premium based on O&D pax.
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Where did you find the analysis regarding needing high utilization in order to pay off the C Series? The undergraduate economist in me just couldn't read that without pointing out that all funds are fungible. From an economic perspective, it makes most sense to use the airplanes wherever they most improve profitability for the company as a whole. I have no idea where that will be. It would be very interesting to sit in on network planning meetings and observe the process.
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Where did you find the analysis regarding needing high utilization in order to pay off the C Series? The undergraduate economist in me just couldn't read that without pointing out that all funds are fungible. From an economic perspective, it makes most sense to use the airplanes wherever they most improve profitability for the company as a whole. I have no idea where that will be. It would be very interesting to sit in on network planning meetings and observe the process.
That said I guess it makes sense. I think we keep forgetting its not a 3000 mile range jet to Delta and that airlines are not that impressed with small long range jets. After all, only what 300 real orders on the thing? And we have 70% of their 100 orders?
The 320neo sits at 4000. I think there is a reason and identifying a need in the market wasn't well done by BBD.
There probably is not a need for RIC-LAX or LAX-BUF or NYC-GDL. And in long thin high end markets they probably don't want an RJ.
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Where did you find the analysis regarding needing high utilization in order to pay off the C Series? The undergraduate economist in me just couldn't read that without pointing out that all funds are fungible. From an economic perspective, it makes most sense to use the airplanes wherever they most improve profitability for the company as a whole. I have no idea where that will be. It would be very interesting to sit in on network planning meetings and observe the process.
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According to network planners, the CS100 will not be used as the game changer to open up new markets on long and thin routes. That will be the CS300. The CS100 will takeover E175/CRJ9 routes out of LAX and NYC. DFW is frequently mentioned. I would imagine LAX-Texas/Midwest, NYC-Texas/Midwest. I'm sure some high demand/frequency traditional shuttle routes as well.
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According to network planners, the CS100 will not be used as the game changer to open up new markets on long and thin routes. That will be the CS300. The CS100 will takeover E175/CRJ9 routes out of LAX and NYC. DFW is frequently mentioned. I would imagine LAX-Texas/Midwest, NYC-Texas/Midwest. I'm sure some high demand/frequency traditional shuttle routes as well.
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Where did you find the analysis regarding needing high utilization in order to pay off the C Series? The undergraduate economist in me just couldn't read that without pointing out that all funds are fungible. From an economic perspective, it makes most sense to use the airplanes wherever they most improve profitability for the company as a whole. I have no idea where that will be. It would be very interesting to sit in on network planning meetings and observe the process.
Man I've had a lot of fun on Wake! We used to rather frequently overnight there. While fishing there, almost lost a few fingers one time to a very aggressive and fearless barracuda that didn't think the Ahi on my line belonged on our boat! Not a good place to need immediate medical attention, luckily the barracuda just missed my hand and let go of my ahi once he got most of it's tail.
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I believe the dumping claim (for all the talk about the 100) was really more about the 300 and even the 500 and in fact Boeing has already told the ITC that they will continue the lawsuit over the 500. I believe the MOB production line is about the 500 eventuality
Boeing threatens to double down on page 12 of the ITC hearing transcript:
15 More broadly, if Bombardier's unfair trade
16 practice are not addressed, it will next target the
17 medium-sized single aisle market. This is not speculation.
18 Bombardier is already talking about launching a CS-500 to
19 compete with Boeing 7378 and MAX 8. And if you let that
20 happen, we will be here again, but under worse conditions
21 for the domestic industry.
Boeing threatens to double down on page 12 of the ITC hearing transcript:
15 More broadly, if Bombardier's unfair trade
16 practice are not addressed, it will next target the
17 medium-sized single aisle market. This is not speculation.
18 Bombardier is already talking about launching a CS-500 to
19 compete with Boeing 7378 and MAX 8. And if you let that
20 happen, we will be here again, but under worse conditions
21 for the domestic industry.
Is the 500 happening or just a rumor?
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