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01-30-2018, 12:22 PM

#2151

tennisguru

Roll’n Thunder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CBreezy

The RJs have Vrefs in the 120s and they account for, what, 50% of US departures? I don't think this will be an issue.

Only when very light, usually was mid to upper 130s up to 142

01-30-2018, 12:32 PM

#2152

Milk Man

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Even worse when ATC says maintain 180kt to FAF, and then guys still slow to full config speed 3 miles from fix. Why guys do that, I will never understand.

01-30-2018, 12:43 PM

#2153

Grumpyaviator

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01-30-2018, 12:44 PM

#2154

BeamMeUp

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Joined APC: Mar 2016

Posts: 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

3 miles is 900’agl, most airlines require being configured at 1000’agl.

3 miles from the FAF, not the field. So 5nm FAF 1500’ AGL, plus 3nm (900’) equals 2400’ AGL on slope configured and on speed. Yay public math. A good way to liven up the JFK final freq.

01-30-2018, 01:03 PM

#2155

marcal

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Joined APC: Sep 2005

Posts: 1,114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milk Man

Even worse when ATC says maintain 180kt to FAF, and then guys still slow to full config speed 3 miles from fix. Why guys do that, I will never understand.

When I flew overseas, we had to be configured at 1500 and onspeed as well. If you weren't configuring by 2500' you wouldn't make it. One the reasons we would tell final appr controller our min speed on final. Some appreciated the heads up some didn't. I suspect many overseas airlines operate similarly.

01-30-2018, 01:21 PM

#2156

gloopy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CBreezy

The RJs have Vrefs in the 120s and they account for, what, 50% of US departures? I don't think this will be an issue.

Not the 50 seaters with hard wings. Their approach speeds rival anything in the mainline fleet. Even the 70's and 90's with slats aren't nearly that slow when heavy.

There is no slack in the system anymore. "Nextgen" is going to make it worse. I'm not saying this is insurmountable, but if those speeds are true even when heavy, we're going to need to be very proactive and get ATC on the same page at every busy airport.

01-30-2018, 02:03 PM

#2157

CBreezy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gloopy

I flew the E145. The Vref at Max landing weight was 128 for flaps 45. That puts ref at 123-126 for normal landing weights. So, like I said, in the mid-120s. O'Hare is full of 145s and there isn't a single problem there with spacing.

01-30-2018, 02:21 PM

#2158

Eastern Canuck

On Reserve

Joined APC: Jan 2018

Posts: 12

I see the Delta logo is now attached to MSN 50020 & MSN 50021 from today's production update at http://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html. Delivery likely in May - July time frame.

01-30-2018, 03:44 PM

#2159

cni187

Doing Nothing

Joined APC: Aug 2010

Posts: 1,316

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastern Canuck

I see the Delta logo is now attached to MSN 50020 & MSN 50021 from today's production update at http://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html. Delivery likely in May - July time frame.

Where does it say delivery timeframe?

01-30-2018, 04:05 PM

#2160

JamesBond

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Position: A350 Both

Posts: 7,292

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamMeUp

3 miles from the FAF, not the field. So 5nm FAF 1500’ AGL, plus 3nm (900’) equals 2400’ AGL on slope configured and on speed. Yay public math. A good way to liven up the JFK final freq.

Ummmmmm what?