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12-21-2017, 11:58 AM
#1862
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Boeing Held Takeover Talks With Brazilian Aircraft Maker Embraer
Boeing and Embraer have discussed deal that would value Embraer at a big premium to its market value Thursday morning of some $3.7 billion
Boeing Co. has been in takeover talks with Brazilian aircraft maker Embraer SA, a move that would strengthen Boeing’s hand in the regional jet market and help it counter a recent move by Airbus SE to strike a similar deal.
Boeing and Embraer have been discussing a deal that would involve a relatively large premium for Embraer, which had a market value of about $3.7 billion Thursday morning, according to people familiar with the matter. The talks are on hold as the parties await word from the Brazilian government on whether it would sign off on the combination. The government has a so-called golden share in Embraer that gives it veto powers over such a transaction.
Embraer is a crown-jewel of Brazilian industry, and it’s far from guaranteed the government would sign off; therefore there’s an even higher probability than in a typical merger negotiation that there won’t be any deal. Indeed, some of the people cautioned it is unlikely the talks will be revived.
In order to help entice the government, Boeing is willing to take steps to protect Embraer’s brand, management and jobs, one of the people said. It’s also willing to structure a deal in a way that would protect the government’s interest in Embraer’s defense business.
Boeing and Embraer have discussed deal that would value Embraer at a big premium to its market value Thursday morning of some $3.7 billion
Boeing Co. has been in takeover talks with Brazilian aircraft maker Embraer SA, a move that would strengthen Boeing’s hand in the regional jet market and help it counter a recent move by Airbus SE to strike a similar deal.
Boeing and Embraer have been discussing a deal that would involve a relatively large premium for Embraer, which had a market value of about $3.7 billion Thursday morning, according to people familiar with the matter. The talks are on hold as the parties await word from the Brazilian government on whether it would sign off on the combination. The government has a so-called golden share in Embraer that gives it veto powers over such a transaction.
Embraer is a crown-jewel of Brazilian industry, and it’s far from guaranteed the government would sign off; therefore there’s an even higher probability than in a typical merger negotiation that there won’t be any deal. Indeed, some of the people cautioned it is unlikely the talks will be revived.
In order to help entice the government, Boeing is willing to take steps to protect Embraer’s brand, management and jobs, one of the people said. It’s also willing to structure a deal in a way that would protect the government’s interest in Embraer’s defense business.
12-21-2017, 12:15 PM
#1863
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Try again, PNWFlyer. You came in broken and stupid on that post. And here's another tip. Your false equivalency on the ME3 and Boeing being harmed is another fallacy. Boeing is a seller of aircraft. But you knew that. They don't make a 100-110 seat aircraft. But you knew that, too. The ME3 fly subsisdized A380s at about 40% load factor. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt based on reading all of your posts in the last three weeks. You didn't know that. That's okay. There's an internet for that.
So since Boeing doesn't provide a plane in the 100-110 seat market, that's the same as the ME3 flying 40% loaded seats everywhere, not losing money because they are subsidized by the oil profits their kings provide them?
Really?
Have you ever studied logic? I already know the answer to that.
12-21-2017, 12:26 PM
#1864
Da Hudge
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Ha, not according to Boeing. Tariffs sill apply even if built in US. Dumping is dumping. If you haven’t noticed Boeing has pretty good lawyers.
Funny that you hate ME3 for their subsidies but have no problem with the C Series being sold at a 3rd of the cost to build. So, how are US Airlines harmed by ME3? They don’t offer the same product. No US airline has A380s with a bar, private cabins and showers. So, if Boeing can’t be harmed because they don’t build a 100 seat jet. US Airlines can’t be harmed by ME3 for the same reason. Sorry, Air Lines.
Funny that you hate ME3 for their subsidies but have no problem with the C Series being sold at a 3rd of the cost to build. So, how are US Airlines harmed by ME3? They don’t offer the same product. No US airline has A380s with a bar, private cabins and showers. So, if Boeing can’t be harmed because they don’t build a 100 seat jet. US Airlines can’t be harmed by ME3 for the same reason. Sorry, Air Lines.
12-21-2017, 12:27 PM
#1865
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Exactly. UAL went before us and declined the C Series...because and only because BA and AB offered them eye watering rates for 737/319's at unit prices that competed very aggressively with the supposedly "dumping" prices of the C. What were those prices? That may have been confidential at one point, but BA has made it our business to know.
Did BA and AB dump (or even offer to) in order to stop the C?
What were those prices? The lowest offered by either should now be the guaranteed price paid by anyone in the world who wants them. Otherwise BBD can show "harm" from "dumping".
Did BA and AB dump (or even offer to) in order to stop the C?
What were those prices? The lowest offered by either should now be the guaranteed price paid by anyone in the world who wants them. Otherwise BBD can show "harm" from "dumping".
Will make an interesting chapter in some future book on airline and aircraft builders.
12-21-2017, 01:02 PM
#1866
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Boeing is simply trying to eliminate a competitor. There isn't a logic to claiming "harm" when you don't even produce a competing product. Meanwhile back at the ranch... Boeing is selling the crap out of wide bodies to the ME3 with ExIm financing. IOW the Bank of Boeing. OFG
12-21-2017, 03:49 PM
#1867
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Comparing apples to oranges...
Seriously? The CS100 is 21% more fuel efficient than the A319 which uses early 1990s technology. The CS100's innovative passenger ergonomics beats the Airbus hands down... Huge bins, huge windows, 2x3 seating, big lavs, etc. We are talking apples to oranges. Even Ed Bastian said the CS100 could be the most ergonomic airplane in the fleet.
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is-said-in-talks-to-acquire-embraer-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is-said-in-talks-to-acquire-embraer-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
12-21-2017, 03:57 PM
#1868
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Seriously? The CS100 is 21% more fuel efficient than the A319 which uses early 1990s technology. The CS100's innovative passenger ergonomics beats the Airbus hands down... Huge bins, huge windows, 2x3 seating, big lavs, etc. We are talking apples to oranges. Even Ed Bastian said the CS100 could be the most ergonomic airplane in the fleet.
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
12-21-2017, 04:13 PM
#1869
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Posts: 707
Seriously? The CS100 is 21% more fuel efficient than the A319 which uses early 1990s technology. The CS100's innovative passenger ergonomics beats the Airbus hands down... Huge bins, huge windows, 2x3 seating, big lavs, etc. We are talking apples to oranges. Even Ed Bastian said the CS100 could be the most ergonomic airplane in the fleet.
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is-said-in-talks-to-acquire-embraer-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
I guess you don't mind rewarding Boeing for bullying your airline... Don't reward Boeing for its blatant hypocracy! And while Boeing claims it was financially hurt by the Delta CS100 order, today it talks about potentially working with Embraer (to fill the blatant void in its product line which is why the CS100 was the obvious choice). Is this not evidence that Boeing could not compete in the CS100 seat range? Check this out:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is-said-in-talks-to-acquire-embraer-wsj-reports
You can't make this up!!!
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