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Old 07-05-2017, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NormalAbnormal
Only 1 of those 4 really matters. Unless the C-Series can provide a compelling argument that it is incrementally better for a set of passengers over competing offerings to justify buying a fleet, it just won't matter.

The passenger is the only thing that matters. The pilots, route planners and bean counters, etc. support the passenger.
Have you seen any of the previous videos showcasing the interior? You can start with this which gives a decent overview:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yWF9cCVJY

2x3 seating, large bins for bags, huge windows for more natural light.... One of your senior fleet planning executives even said it could be the most passenger-friendly and comfortable airplane type in the entire fleet.

However, I am calling BS on your "it's the passenger that matters" statement. If that really was the case, the MD88/90 would have been grounded years ago... Ever been unfortunate enough to sit in the last 10 rows of the 88? It's worse than steerage on the Titanic. Cramped seats, smallish bins and NO WINDOWS behind those incredibly loud engines. The MD88 is not passenger friendly in the slightest. It is an abomination that makes Delta good money for now while probably alienating a lot of passengers who fly it. The CSeries will be very well received by passengers (especially premium business travelers) seeking more comfort and a very low-decibel environment....
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Have you seen any of the previous videos showcasing the interior? You can start with this which gives a decent overview:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yWF9cCVJY

2x3 seating, large bins for bags, huge windows for more natural light.... One of your senior fleet planning executives even said it could be the most passenger-friendly and comfortable airplane type in the entire fleet.

However, I am calling BS on your "it's the passenger that matters" statement. If that really was the case, the MD88/90 would have been grounded years ago... Ever been unfortunate enough to sit in the last 10 rows of the 88? It's worse than steerage on the Titanic. Cramped seats, smallish bins and NO WINDOWS behind those incredibly loud engines. The MD88 is not passenger friendly in the slightest. It is an abomination that makes Delta good money for now while probably alienating a lot of passengers who fly it. The CSeries will be very well received by passengers (especially premium business travelers) seeking more comfort and a very low-decibel environment....
you think our management team or any airline's for that matter puts passenger comfort as a priority when buying airplanes?
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you think our management team or any airline's for that matter puts passenger comfort as a priority when buying airplanes?

For the precious metal passengers up front - yes. For the Griswold types in steerage flying to their annual vacation - no.

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I predict that we will own a large stake in Bombardier before long. We buy everything else, why not a manufacturer?
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I predict that we will own a large stake in Bombardier before long. We buy everything else, why not a manufacturer?
That's just so crazy it makes sense... sure would put pressure on Boeing.
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Originally Posted by Chakerik
Pretty sure the mic is an audio input to catch the crews conversation, and the ambient noise is what it's picking up in the background​. Not really accurate to judge the noise that way, especially on landing when even the 73 is quiet. Not saying it's not a quiet cockpit but not gonna judge it either way from that video. Plus the fo is wearing a Bose but if it's got a usuable hot mic no complaints here...
Having flown the BBD-700, I'd say there's really no need for Bose noise cancellations. We would fly it trucker style with a Bose bluetooth speaker and an iPod, listening to music and talking the entire flight...All 10 hours of it.

A very quiet and comfortable cockpit.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
That's just so crazy it makes sense... sure would put pressure on Boeing.
...And that would be a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
You may want to do the math on that......

535 total members (Senators and Reps)

$20,000,000.00/535 = $37,383.18. That is a far cry from half a million.

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You assume all congressfolk are the same.

"Some are more equal than others."

The new guy/gal doesn't get squat from Boeing. The criminals on the commites and sub-commitees that Boeing cares about get the cheese.

By my estimation, you divide $20M by about 100 key people. The math should be simple from there.
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Boeing spends millions on indirect lobbying as well, it's probably impossible to pin down the number.
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
However, I am calling BS on your "it's the passenger that matters" statement. If that really was the case, the MD88/90 would have been grounded years ago... Ever been unfortunate enough to sit in the last 10 rows of the 88? It's worse than steerage on the Titanic. Cramped seats, smallish bins and NO WINDOWS behind those incredibly loud engines. The MD88 is not passenger friendly in the slightest. It is an abomination that makes Delta good money for now while probably alienating a lot of passengers who fly it. The CSeries will be very well received by passengers (especially premium business travelers) seeking more comfort and a very low-decibel environment....
I'm calling BS on your BS. Yes. I've sat in the "chop shop". Were you ever in steerage on the Titanic?

Please reread my statement. To rephrase what I said: The only thing that matters is if the airline can charge a premium ticket price to justify the purchase of those airplanes. The passenger will justify paying that premium for a perceived benefit.

e.g. Delta was able to shrewdly purchase an older airframe (MD-90), and install a new interior. It gave the perception of a new aircraft with the passengers not really knowing it was lipstick on a pig (so to speak).

It's that premium that you *MUST* get the passenger to pay over the existing offering. Despite all the technical advantages and specifications you care to quote, that's all that matters. Is the passenger willing to pay that premium to justify the company making that expenditure.

As an awesome, very wise, and rich, professor of mine once said, "The only marketing survey that's worth anything is when the customer parts with their money."

^^^ He *may* have used more colorful language.
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