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Old 10-14-2017, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I'm beginning to believe BBD is going to lose this case on process alone, it appears they don't intend to complete any of the required work to fight this case.
Yeah I thought they could do the paperwork later in the case but evidently not. They just didn't do it.
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:33 PM
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Yeah I thought they could do the paperwork later in the case but evidently not. They just didn't do it.
That's why you hire big-time lawyers... Will probably do it this time.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There never was any A330 deal. It was one quote from a executive in Europe that was quickly refuted.
Sailing is correct here so...

Who is taking our 350 delivery positions that we deferred?

Was that manager letting the cat out of the bag on a strategy to be used later?

If all these carriers were to fly the Delta widget livery would we still have a place in the new Delta conglomerate? (ref. 1.E.9.)

The timeline of the 5 way airline mega deal coincided with the A350 deferal/A321 order deal with Airbus. These kinds of deals and decisions don't happen overnight or in a vacuum. All known variables were taken into consideration by management as they crafted these deals that involve multiple entities. Who knows how long they were working on the situation they have created? But more importantly, now that that foundation stone has been placed, what are they currently working on that is not known to anyone outside the executive suites of the new conglomerate?

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Old 10-14-2017, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Sailing is correct here so...

Who is taking our 350 delivery positions that we deferred?

Was that manager letting the cat out of the bag on a strategy to be used later?

If all these carriers were to fly the Delta widget livery would we still have a place in the new Delta conglomerate? (ref. 1.E.9.)

The timeline of the 5 way airline mega deal coincided with the A350 deferal/A321 order deal with Airbus. These kinds of deals and decisions don't happen overnight or in a vacuum. All known variables were taken into consideration by management as they crafted these deals that involve multiple entities. Who knows how long they were working on the situation they have created? But more importantly, now that that foundation stone has been placed, what are they currently working on that is not known to anyone outside the executive suites of the new conglomerate?
There are plenty of deferred A350 positions. Just Delta, UAL and AMR have cancelled or deferred enough to supply anyone who wants aircraft in the 2018 to 2020 timeframe. A bigger question for us is will Airbus be able to deliver the A330-900 to us as promised. Still has not flown and our first delivery is 18 months away.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are plenty of deferred A350 positions. Just Delta, UAL and AMR have cancelled or deferred enough to supply anyone who wants aircraft in the 2018 to 2020 timeframe. A bigger question for us is will Airbus be able to deliver the A330-900 to us as promised. Still has not flown and our first delivery is 18 months away.
I think your answer is plausible but my insinuation is more likely. But lets move on. Care to answer the other 2 questions?
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I think your answer is plausible but my insinuation is more likely. But lets move on. Care to answer the other 2 questions?
I am not quite sure what your other two questions are. The 10 A350's were deferred because we were unable to negotiate and set up the joint venture in Shanghai. We don't need the range for Korea so they will convert them to A330-900's for 50 million each less. In fact it was hinted at one of the ops roadshows they would have cancelled them all if we could have. They had planned 15 flights a day into Shanghai on our metal. Many requiring two airframes because of the length. That did not pan out so now we go to Korea. Maybe we will get combat pay on those flights.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am not quite sure what your other two questions are. The 10 A350's were deferred because we were unable to negotiate and set up the joint venture in Shanghai. We don't need the range for Korea so they will convert them to A330-900's for 50 million each less. In fact it was hinted at one of the ops roadshows they would have cancelled them all if we could have. They had planned 15 flights a day into Shanghai on our metal. Many requiring two airframes because of the length. That did not pan out so now we go to Korea. Maybe we will get combat pay on those flights.
Was that manager letting the cat out of the bag on a strategy to be used later?

If all these carriers were to fly the Delta widget livery would we still have a place in the new Delta conglomerate? (ref. 1.E.9.)
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
That's why you hire big-time lawyers... Will probably do it this time.
From what I read I don't think they can, I believe they flat out refused.
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From what I read I don't think they can, I believe they flat out refused.
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they are French!
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