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Old 10-10-2017, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Give me a break. Big differences between the two types. First, the CS100 offers 2X3 seating instead of 3X3 seating which contributes to the lower seat count. The CS100 is a true 110 seat airplane - smaller than the 700.

Then, the CS100 is very different ergonomically. Don't believe me? Watch this video comparing the two and understand why Boeing is frightened that its bigger, geriatric jet is completely outclassed from an innovation standpoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthoNr81QlI
You have to pick a lane here, either the CS100 does not compete or it does, if it does, then that's a problem. And it'll be our problem here at delta if we take on this thing and it continues to flop in the market and becomes orphaned. I know that doesn't matter to outsiders but it does for us.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
You have to pick a lane here, either the CS100 does not compete or it does, if it does, then that's a problem. And it'll be our problem here at delta if we take on this thing and it continues to flop in the market and becomes orphaned. I know that doesn't matter to outsiders but it does for us.
Yeah, I don't think the other shoe has dropped here. Despite flight ops moving forward and crew resources saying the bid will be in November, I can't see how the Board of Directors is going to accept this risk. Unless they know something we don't or they have a much longer term plan, I'd expect another delay on the advance entitlement.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Yeah, I don't think the other shoe has dropped here. Despite flight ops moving forward and crew resources saying the bid will be in November, I can't see how the Board of Directors is going to accept this risk. Unless they know something we don't or they have a much longer term plan, I'd expect another delay on the advance entitlement.
I'd agree as well, but we have to take into account the seemingly complete chaos that exists in AE planning in general and things like this in particular. It just as easily could get lost in the haystack and some lucky pilots could enjoy a nice vacation with a very unique type rating.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
You have to pick a lane here, either the CS100 does not compete or it does, if it does, then that's a problem. And it'll be our problem here at delta if we take on this thing and it continues to flop in the market and becomes orphaned. I know that doesn't matter to outsiders but it does for us.
From a seating comparison the 700 and CS100 don't compete. Again, why did Boeing offer the used E190s? From a passenger ergonomics perspective, all airliners compete.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'd agree as well, but we have to take into account the seemingly complete chaos that exists in AE planning in general and things like this in particular. It just as easily could get lost in the haystack and some lucky pilots could enjoy a nice vacation with a very unique type rating.

That logic isn't lost on me! Plus you have the potential for production delays, engine issues... or they cancel the bid and have to retrain you back to your old category... or however that works...
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:37 AM
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Hey everyone take a look at this:

https://aviationdoctor.wordpress.com...n-canadian-an/

With the Quebec and Canadian government looking to become 2/3 owners in the new CSeries Aircraft Limited Partnership (CSALP), after “investing” (aka throwing away) $2.0 billion for the honor that NO competitor wanted last year when Bombardier was desperate to sell the program. Now all state aid, subsidies and dumping prices will be investigated by the WTO, the US Government, as Airbus and Embraer will take action against Canada’s government involvement and you can bet Boeing will urge the same from its government. The CSALP is a scam on Canadians to help Bombardier, the program will fail, but Bombardier will be in the clear and we naive and too trusting of our crony politicians get burned again and again by our Government in bed with Bombardier.

The CSeries is a state program, with state subsidies which allow dumping prices, and the CSeries will have many issues to face, including possible US retaliation with to protect Boeing for illegal Canadian state aid to Bombardier.

https://aviationdoctor.wordpress.com...g-the-75-airc/

This fact might be the only saving grace:
The 100-150 seat market is only 1.5% of Airbus and Boeing’s single aisle A320neo and B737Max sales today, while 98.5% of their single aisle sales are in the 150-240 seat segment, that says it all for those with critical reasoning skills.

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Old 10-10-2017, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
That logic isn't lost on me! Plus you have the potential for production delays, engine issues... or they cancel the bid and have to retrain you back to your old category... or however that works...
Hmmm...bid c series CA, plane gets scraped... Pay protection???
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Originally Posted by Chakerik
Hmmm...bid c series CA, plane gets scraped... Pay protection???
Sadly, only if you are converted and only till your displacement. Otherwise you get to choose one of the "good deals" outlined in 22.E.15.
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chakerik
Hmmm...bid c series CA, plane gets scraped... Pay protection???
All the base newsletters are advertising LCA positions on the C Series.
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187
All the base newsletters are advertising LCA positions on the C Series.
yeah that's what happens when your LCA's are all in LAX and the first base is going to be NYC
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