Sink r8

Are you the same Packrat that was mimicking Alaska pilots, and fanning the flames over juno? You're an almost Delta pilot now?

Welcome almost aboard!

Packrat

Just observing and commenting on what an NC/MEC relationship should be. Apparently your MEC didn't have the balls to make the NC adhere to their direction and opted to put the onus on the rank and file through MEMRAT.

That's another indication of spinelessness...now if it passes they can blame the rank and file if it turns out to be a stinker when the Company implements it. And knowing the general psyche of pilots, it will pass by 55%.

Sink r8

Awesome. Balls and spine lessons from a guy with no skin in the game, and talks ambiguously enough to look like he's a part of the airline he's talking about. Second time you've done this. Who do you work for, anyway?

nohat

Think about that the next time you vote for mec rep. I'm very happy with our NYC CA/FO reps. My bet is that our Secretary-treasurer will be in management soon.

Sink r8

My observation is that you're working way too hard trying to create political winners and losers , and I'm guess you're doing it on at least two other websites, and maybe another organization.

I do think you're right, however, and there will be pandemonium after the vote, no matter which way it goes. While this happens, we're not going to have a consensus. There will be enormous pressure on the new people to deliver, and no clear way for them to do it, as we go into political purgatory, and management continues to play defense. Because they can, and because we'll make it that much easier for them.

Packrat

Just letting you know how an MEC should work from one who has been there, done that.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

Sink r8

I'd just settle for the truth about what you are, as opposed to the legend about what you might have done where.

notEnuf

First, we should not have rates for aircraft not on property. That is how we got here in the first place. The rates established were low for an airplane we didn't have. No problem, put them in the pay tables right? Wrong we are now bargaining from an artificially low number, they are 100 seats. A small DC9 rate is an appropriate starting point. Banded with the 717 you would have my support. When the 737-800 came it paid well giving other aircraft a bump up during the next go around. The airframes a company buys is a business decision, costs are part of that. If these airplanes are economical for the company great, but we shouldn't be making it cheaper to replace narrowbody flying.

The fleet could end up being 50+ e190s and 25 e175s if they can't get scope relief. They are looking at the 5+ year plan, the 3 year plan is set and being executed well. I doubt you will remember then but you heard it here first.

Delta Requests to Start Flying Between Orlando and Brazil

ANALYSIS: Delta Adds the Embraer E190 to its Fleet


Second, the language uses block hours. If an LCA has a trip with credit time you need another trip for the block hours needed. 1 new hire in a narrow body needs 40hrs = 2 4day trips. 1 captain needs 25 hours = 1 5day. For each new hire there is an equivalent captain upgrade. How many are coming to the line each month on the 88/90? If they pull the sweet trip I wanted and could hold then I'm out of luck, next. Multiply that for 75% of the list. The further down the worse it gets.

As for 23.G.5. this is exactly what they are avoiding by not assigning 75% of the time. I don't follow you on the benefit. 112 less pilots is less pilots. Selling jobs means we work harder/more. I see the productivity benefit for the company and the pay loss for FOs but not much else.

The real problem comes with 23.W. (reserves required) it is a mess with strikeouts and not worth posting. The changes will make it more difficult to amend your schedule via swaps and drops. Most in base people do, if it gets them the days off they wanted and then whiteslip or greenslip to pick up time if they need it. But if you were sick that month sorry no slips for you. Then there's the whole out of base thing.(not getting into it here)


Here's my reference for trips pulled:

23.D.7. Initial Captain lines will be awarded before initial First Officer lines.
The Company will designate rotations that have been awarded to Line Check Pilots that contain the projected OE/TOE block hours for the pilots expected to complete simulator training in the bid period. Following the award of rotations to First Officers that contain at least 25% of the projected OE/TOE block hours for the pilots expected to complete simulator training in the bid period, the Company may withhold from awarding to First Officers the remainder of such designated rotations. The projection of OE/TOE block hours for the pilots expected to complete simulator training in the bid period will be calculated as follows:

a. 15 block hours for each transitioning narrowbody Captain or First Officer.
b. 25 block hours for each first time narrowbody Captain
c. 40 block hours for each new hire in a narrowbody category
d. 50 block hours for each transitioning First Officer from a narrowbody category to a widebody category
e. 60 block hours for each first time Captain transitioning from a narrowbody category to a widebody category
f. 75 block hours for each new hire in widebody category


Its a good things we are pilots, we couldn't run an airline, we are too reactionary.

Sink r8

OK, notenuf, that's enough!

Much to digest. I'm game for breaking this off to another thread, if you'd prefer (your choice). I'm also reserving the afternoon for family obligations, so I will catch up tomorrow.

notEnuf

Fair. I was supposed to have the boat in the water by now anyway. Enjoy.