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Old 06-26-2024, 07:32 AM
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supr...y?id=110877702

It's not free speech to yell fire in a crowded theater when there's no fire.
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Old 06-26-2024, 10:08 AM
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On principal, I think that .gov can encourage responsible speech, and discourage irresponsible speech without violating the 1st.

But it's a narrow line, and could easily go to far, if said discouragement came with potential adverse consequences, real, implied or even the appearance of.
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Old 06-26-2024, 10:40 AM
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On principal, I think that .gov can encourage responsible speech, and discourage irresponsible speech without violating the 1st.

But it's a narrow line, and could easily go to far, if said discouragement came with potential adverse consequences, real, implied or even the appearance of.
The consequences are usually not handed out by the government, but by consumers. In extreme cases, I think the consequences are handed out by courts.
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Originally Posted by Tfork
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rejects-challenge-biden-admin-contact-social/story?id=110877702

It's not free speech to yell fire in a crowded theater when there's no fire.
But it is free speech to yell 'lab accident' when it was a lab accident, especially if it was a gain of function organism that you let escape. And if you aren't allowed to make the accusation unsafe practices can continue for a long, long, time.

As the man says, the answer to a questionable hypothesis ought to be MORE speech, not less. THAT's the scientific method. Assertion and challenge, not 'shut the ef up.'
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The conspiracy theories go on and on without solid proof but for political reasons.

"a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators"

And now we'll get all kind of links about said theory but none will have any solid proof.
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You cannot yell "fire" in a movie thetre. Learned that somewhere in grade school back when they actually taught and didn't tell boys they could have babies.

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Originally Posted by Tfork
The conspiracy theories go on and on without solid proof but for political reasons.

"a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators"

And now we'll get all kind of links about said theory but none will have any solid proof.
The "political reasons" were denying the possibility of an event (community spread from accidental lab release of a pathogen) that is known to have occurred intermittently in labs with far more effective isolation than Wuhan had:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9274012/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(23)00319-1/fulltext

https://
thebulletin.org/2023/12/a-new-study-reports-309-lab-acquired-infections-and-16-pathogen-lab-escapes-between-2000-and-2021/

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/science/cdc-closes-anthrax-and-flu-labs-after-accidents
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https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/science/cdc-closes-anthrax-and-flu-labs-after-accidents.html



People denying the possibility of lab release of pathogens are as irrational as Holocaust deniers.
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As I predicted, absolutely no proof, none. Yet, he still posts his conspiracy theories as if they are fact. He depends on no one actually reading the links which provide no proof of his conspiracies. Deflection and obfuscation are the game.
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Originally Posted by Tfork
As I predicted, absolutely no proof, none. Yet, he still posts his conspiracy theories as if they are fact. He depends on no one actually reading the links which provide no proof of his conspiracies. Deflection and obfuscation are the game.
The last 4 yrs. the word "conspiracy" has held more truth and meaning than your fact checks and science.
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As I predicted, absolutely no proof, none. Yet, he still posts his conspiracy theories as if they are fact. He depends on no one actually reading the links which provide no proof of his conspiracies. Deflection and obfuscation are the game.
Just to clarify... are you saying you don't believe the lab leak theory because there is no hard core proof? You still believe this came from some pangolin or a monkey?
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