JohnBurke

There are those who choose to live their lives without the necessity of giving a **** about what you think, and then there are those who live their lives offended by how other people live their lives. If you're wrapped around the axle about others who wear masks, then you're in the second group.

The first group will outlive you. They won't give a **** about your passing from hypertension and coronary failure, either. Or Covid, RSV, or whatever else you happen to catch while you're being offended by others. That's why they'll live longer.

The second group appears to be the sky-is-falling group, the science-denier group, and of course, adherents to the orange jesus. The same crowd, uncoincidentally, that comes here to panic about the non-existent upcoming mask mandate, and an imagined imminent forced vaccine. Unsurprisingly, often the same who refused to be vaccinated, believe in secret societies of pedophiles eating children in pizza restaurants, and is easily led around by the nose to follow the wildst and dumbest notions and conspiracy theories imaginable. Fortunately, the second group won't be around long enough to pester the first group, in perpetuity.

Bye, second group, in case we don't see you before you go. it's been fun.

Hubcapped

Bullsh1t. The absolute majority of what you have posted is subjective. Ironically you were so immature you agreed with me but couldnt not answer me in a contrary manner. Im blushing and a little creeped out at the same time.

keep yelling into the void. Maybe you’ll break your own record and make it to 5 consecutive posts

Excargodog

Yeah sure. Like when I was saying the Russians had EW capability enabling them to spoof GPS, and you actually ridiculed the whole idea...

http://www.ocnus.net/article.php?Electronic-Weapons-Russian-GPS-INS-Disruption-in-Ukraine-66596

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russ...s-weapons-jam/

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/jamming-jdam-threat-us-munitions-russian-electronic-warfare

Hubcapped

[QUOTE=Excargodog;3727468]Yeah sure. Like when I was saying the Russians had EW capability enabling them to spoof GPS, and you actually ridiculed the whole idea...

http://www.ocnus.net/article.php?Ele...-Ukraine-66596

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russ...s-weapons-jam/

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-res...tronic-warfare[/QUOTE]
Wrong thread colonel. And completely incorrect wrt what i said.

But the irony of you cut’n and past’n here just gave me a chuckle. Thank you.

GogglesPisano

The middle ground: Everyone evaluates their own risk and leaves others to do their own thing. Leave mandates and lockdowns to the authoritarians.

Hubcapped

being a science denier is not the middle ground.

of course that will trigger the “which science “ or “science is about money”…….to which i counter, that the average joe pilot is trained to turn the auto pilot on/off. Everything else is hubris unless you have a formal education. We aren’t that smart.

the irony is that we are trained in risk mitigation, and yet pilots cant fathom that folks in charge didnt know which way this was going to swing and attempted to stay on the safest course. Was it perfect? Of course not. Did it last too long? Yup. But these are huge mechanisms, a little grace is in order

JohnBurke

A "formal education" hasn't got jack to do with flying an airplane. Or a helicopter, glider, powered lift, or a kite, and you know it. Hubris is stating otherwise. As your ONLY purpose here is to argue for the same of the argument, no doubt you'll argue that, too. Or, were you attempting an ironic resonse?

If so, you should know by now, we don't do irony, here.

Hubcapped

i’m not sure what you’re trying to say. My point is that if you do not have a formal education in virology, you probably should defer to the experts. with the caveat that the experts you look for are not Clickbait Internet sites that meets your own bias. Please clarify.

furthermore, I would counter that responding to individuals that take the stance of an extremist side is not being argumentative, it is merely gaining entertainment from trying to bring it back into the middle ground. Which in hindsight is being argumentative for the sake of personal enjoyment. You are correct. One point to gryfindor

Excargodog

It isn't just about science it's also about humility. Being willing to admit what you don't know rather than attempting to use that formal education as a bludgeon to push people to do what is either politically convenient (We don't have enough masks so we are going to tell everybody they don't need them so we can reserve them for medical personnel who are the most highly exposed) is both inherently deceptive (leading to loss of credibility of those advanced degrees) and not really science. Upping the ante by bringing the police power of the state into the picture to enforce even the theory du jour (far less the political point du jour) undermines faith both in science and government itself.

I'm not antivax. I said early on that the most prudent course for most people (and certainly most people over 40 or at special risk) was to have their first exposure to COVID antigens through immunization, but having said that it would have been helpful for the science (and scientists who damn well knew it) to admit that after a community acquired COVID infection you were essentially as protected in a reinfection as immunized people. To know it and NOT say it diminished the credibility of the scientists and in some people's eyes science itself. When government used the police power of the state to enforce unreasonable mandates they lost credibility as well.

This is not an indictment of either political party so much as an indictment of BOTH political parties and the judicial system that let it happen. The situation now is one where every adult that lived through it pretty much knows that some people and many politicians either cried wolf or knowingly lied, and were subsequently found not only to be wrong but duplicitous as well.

Even ignorance is more forgivable by most people than duplicitousness. So yeah, "science" lost credibility and government lost credibility and the population of antivaxxers has been increased and the extremists on both the Left and the Right are the only ones "benefitting" while we have unnecessarily handicapped a generation of school kids.

Honestly, Hub, I don't think even you would have wanted "science" or the government to do what was done in retrospect, because this WAS the inevitable outcome of that. A little more truthfulness and a little more humility in admitting the uncertainty of the data on the part of the scientists, more education and less dogmatism, and a much less authoritarian approach by the government I believe would have given us a far better result. And I think you are honest enough to admit that to yourself even if you won't post it.

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving. Mine was absolutely awesome.

Red Forman

There is no middle ground because it's a cold.