Flyfalcons

Um, no. People can make their own decisions. And at some point, the states will decide that enough people have had a chance to get the vaccine or not, and if they are smart then they will follow Texas' lead. Remember, all this crap started with giving two weeks to protect hospital capacity. Those who desire to control others' lives have continually pushed the goal posts. For a YEAR. So don't be upset when red states decide that government control has gone on long enough.

Knobcrk1

You’re making up stuff. He most definitely said you can make your own masks if you feel the need, that’s why I said look that up since you obviously had no clue. Inform yourself, including what Faucis explanation was of how what he said was spun. Yes it was not a pandemic here, that was the official stance, not many cases. That was what Fauci said was the context. That was their position. Look it up. Also I never said he knew people should be wearing masks, you’re making stuff up and you continue to misconstrue what I type. Never ever did they say masks don’t work, just that they aren’t needed because it wasn’t a pandemic yet and no word had been given by the CDC. At no point was this about efficacy of masks as you imply. They had word that PPEs could be in short supply and since there were low cases and they didn’t know about asymptomatic transmission, masks were not a priority. As soon as the CDC recognized it as a serious problem, masks were implemented.

If you’re claiming that their position all along was that Masks don’t work and are not necessary during a pandemic, why did they implement mask mandates when the pandemic was official? Wouldn’t they still have said forget about masks? Could it be that you choose not to put two and two together because it goes against your ideology of not wanting to be told what to do in a pandemic? They never did say anything about efficacy, you went along with the spin, including the former President at first. That was very dangerous and choosing to follow that spin most likely contributed to more deaths.

TransWorld

Correlation, not necessarily causality. Could the the countries with the higher obesity rates have higher international travel rates. That might the cause of the spread, ergo infection and death.

galaxy flyer

Hilariously, lockdowns in the US have led to some huge weight gains, especially among millennials and Gen Z. Unintended consequences are tough.

Seneca Pilot

Normally I would agree with you completely, however in this case we know scientifically that obesity and its downstream health effects are the main drivers of death from Covid. Every society in every country has seen the same theme with the obese and those with heart disease and diabetes dying at much higher rates than those with normal (below 25) BMI. The Japanese, for example are not only some of the thinnest people in the world but also the longest lived. That is not a simple correlation but medically and statistically proven.

TransWorld

You may have a point. A friend from church died from COVID-19. He was 56. Had heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure. He weighted 380 lbs. He never traveled. Disabled and stayed home.

Red Forman

He would have died from a bad cold being that unhealthy.

Seneca Pilot

A quick down and dirty assessment of your risk for bad health as you age is to look in your refrigerator and pantry. If they are full of food in boxes you are probably headed for a bad outcome. If they are full of real foods that are not packaged and not processed you are probably on the thinner side and at much lower risk for health problems as you age.

galaxy flyer

True, but reported as COVID.

TransWorld

My friend that weighed 380 lbs also had something of another quick down and dirty assessment one could do. At a church board meeting he would chow down on four Big Macs, each with fries. Someone asks him if he was eating all that for supper. He said, no. He had already had two additional Big Macs on the way to the church. When we finished, he was going to eat 6 apple pies from McD’s. He left them in the car and would wolf them down on the way home. He seriously needed a doctor’s care for his uncontrolled eating. But he steadfastly refused to have anything done the doctor told him to do.