Texas reopens to 100%, rescinds mask mandate
04-01-2021, 11:06 AM
#622
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Read the article.
You do realize the article is about MASK MANDATES, not mask effectiveness?
From the article:
Wow. You sure this is the article you want to site justifying mask effectiveness? Or even mandates?
I think they taught me something about this at business school... “correlation is not causation,” or something like that.
We’re talking mask effectiveness and you’re talking mask mandates. Apples and oranges, brah.
My state has a mask mandate, and we’re at all time lows since this thing really got going. On second thought, maybe you’re on to something!
You do realize the article is about MASK MANDATES, not mask effectiveness?
From the article:
The findings in this report are subject to at least three limitations. First, although models controlled for mask mandates, restaurant and bar closures, stay-at-home orders, and gathering bans, the models did not control for other policies that might affect case and death rates, including other types of business closures, physical distancing recommendations, policies issued by localities, and variances granted by states to certain counties if variances were not made publicly available. Second, compliance with and enforcement of policies were not measured. Finally, the analysis did not differentiate between indoor and outdoor dining, adequacy of ventilation, and adherence to physical distancing and occupancy requirements.
I think they taught me something about this at business school... “correlation is not causation,” or something like that.
We’re talking mask effectiveness and you’re talking mask mandates. Apples and oranges, brah.
My state has a mask mandate, and we’re at all time lows since this thing really got going. On second thought, maybe you’re on to something!
04-01-2021, 11:06 AM
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Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.”
2,818,170 / 290,000 = 9.7.
Even the maximum flu deaths.
2,818,170 / 650,000 = 4.3 and there have been massively fewer flu deaths this year. In the us there have been 24,000 - 62,000 flu deaths ( https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm ) which means for the US the math would be 552,000 / 62,000 which would be 8.9 AT BEST and 23 at worst.
Numbers, man. I know they are hard, but they are important. Please try to keep up.
04-01-2021, 11:08 AM
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Yes. I am saying do the math yourself. The article was actually written around the time the great Fauci himself testified before congress that COVID-19 was 10 times deadlier than the flu, based on the assumptions at the time about who actually had it and before the days of the mysterious asymptomatic cases. He has since backed off the ten times deadlier, as has any scientist worth anything. Cause you can do the math yourself and it does not work out that high - if you were willing to think for yourself, rather than delegate that to Hoda Kotbe.
04-01-2021, 11:13 AM
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Yes. I am saying do the math yourself. The article was actually written around the time the great Fauci himself testified before congress that COVID-19 was 10 times deadlier than the flu, based on the assumptions at the time about who actually had it and before the days of the mysterious asymptomatic cases. He has since backed off the ten times deadlier, as has any scientist worth anything. Cause you can do the math yourself and it does not work out that high - if you were willing to think for yourself, rather than delegate that to Hoda Kotbe.
By the way, 560,000 deaths annually is about TEN TIMES the annual flu death total.
Just throwing that out there.
04-01-2021, 11:13 AM
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It's a 1.8% per day reduction in the growth rate, that's actually not that significant. Covid will still run out of people to infect before people are protected by masks. In the end, the number of cases, and deaths are the same unfortunately.
04-01-2021, 11:17 AM
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Of all the things you are, Mesabah, an epidemiologist you are not.
04-01-2021, 11:18 AM
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“COVID-19: There have been approximately 2,818,170 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 552,073 people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and April 1, 2021.*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.”
2,818,170 / 290,000 = 9.7.
Even the maximum flu deaths.
2,818,170 / 650,000 = 4.3 and there have been massively fewer flu deaths this year. In the us there have been 24,000 - 62,000 flu deaths ( https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm ) which means for the US the math would be 552,000 / 62,000 which would be 8.9 AT BEST and 23 at worst.
Numbers, man. I know they are hard, but they are important. Please try to keep up.
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.”
2,818,170 / 290,000 = 9.7.
Even the maximum flu deaths.
2,818,170 / 650,000 = 4.3 and there have been massively fewer flu deaths this year. In the us there have been 24,000 - 62,000 flu deaths ( https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm ) which means for the US the math would be 552,000 / 62,000 which would be 8.9 AT BEST and 23 at worst.
Numbers, man. I know they are hard, but they are important. Please try to keep up.
But we won't use IFR then, too complicated for you. OK, lets use your math.
You said it yourself though - normal year 2,818,170 die of COVID / 650,000 die of flu = 4.3. That isn't 10 right?
Whatever, I am wasting too much time trying to preach to the converted. Go back to hiding in your basement and wearing your mask while you are swimming. You deserve the world that you have created here. Have fun.
04-01-2021, 11:19 AM
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There will be plenty of time to post-game COVID-19. I'm glad I would never fly with someone so unforgiving that you can't update your analysis as new data comes in.
By the way, 560,000 deaths annually is about TEN TIMES the annual flu death total.
Just throwing that out there.
By the way, 560,000 deaths annually is about TEN TIMES the annual flu death total.
Just throwing that out there.
04-01-2021, 11:21 AM
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Have fun out there Skywatch. Don't forget to mask up!
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