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Old 03-09-2021, 12:03 PM
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Just get some unemployment and stop crying about it!


Because that'll definitely cover the bills.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:06 PM
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It’s hilarious you can’t take an opposing view and without insulting too. I guess we should all watch you from afar.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
It’s hilarious you can’t take an opposing view and without insulting too. I guess we should all watch you from afar.
You don’t have an opposing view. The view that you supposedly think is your own, has been downloaded to you via whatever mainstream sources you use. You didn’t actually come up with an opinion, you just think you did. You are one of those people that was yelling to stay home, save lives because “the experts” said so. Did you cheer when that evil selfish surfer got arrested for being alone in the ocean? I bet you did, don’t try to hide it. Grandma killer he was! Come on man, don’t act like you have a single thought of your own in that head of yours. I bet you started double masking the second they came out with that recommendation. No insults here man, just straight facts.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:18 PM
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You don’t have an opposing view. The view that you supposedly think is your own, has been downloaded to you via whatever mainstream sources you use. You didn’t actually come up with an opinion, you just think you did. You are one of those people that was yelling to stay home, save lives because “the experts” said so. Did you cheer when that evil selfish surfer got arrested for being alone in the ocean? I bet you did, don’t try to hide it. Grandma killer he was! Come on man, don’t act like you have a single thought of your own in that head of yours. I bet you started double masking the second they came out with that recommendation. No insults here man, just straight facts.
Mic Drop. That was beautiful, man.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
You don’t have an opposing view. The view that you supposedly think is your own, has been downloaded to you via whatever mainstream sources you use. You didn’t actually come up with an opinion, you just think you did. You are one of those people that was yelling to stay home, save lives because “the experts” said so. Did you cheer when that evil selfish surfer got arrested for being alone in the ocean? I bet you did, don’t try to hide it. Grandma killer he was! Come on man, don’t act like you have a single thought of your own in that head of yours. I bet you started double masking the second they came out with that recommendation. No insults here man, just straight facts.
While I don’t always agree with your posts, you nailed this one brother!!
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Old 03-09-2021, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
You don’t have an opposing view. The view that you supposedly think is your own, has been downloaded to you via whatever mainstream sources you use. You didn’t actually come up with an opinion, you just think you did. You are one of those people that was yelling to stay home, save lives because “the experts” said so. Did you cheer when that evil selfish surfer got arrested for being alone in the ocean? I bet you did, don’t try to hide it. Grandma killer he was! Come on man, don’t act like you have a single thought of your own in that head of yours. I bet you started double masking the second they came out with that recommendation. No insults here man, just straight facts.
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Old 03-09-2021, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
You don’t have an opposing view. The view that you supposedly think is your own, has been downloaded to you via whatever mainstream sources you use. You didn’t actually come up with an opinion, you just think you did. You are one of those people that was yelling to stay home, save lives because “the experts” said so. Did you cheer when that evil selfish surfer got arrested for being alone in the ocean? I bet you did, don’t try to hide it. Grandma killer he was! Come on man, don’t act like you have a single thought of your own in that head of yours. I bet you started double masking the second they came out with that recommendation. No insults here man, just straight facts.
Sorry, man. No facts in your post at all. Zero. Just your opinions, guesses and a question. Nothing you said above is a verifiable fact.

We all know the lone surfer was not a grandma killer and I'd be quite surprised if anyone here was happy to see him get arrested.

​​​​​​It's almost painful to watch how some of you guys enjoy collectively beating on one poster who has opposing views. That's not the American way guys. Calling the one who disagrees the village idiot etc. Look, I don't agree with everything he says but to accuse him of not having an opinion of his own and barely repeating what he was told is too easy. Everyone should realize that we are all biased and our views are never based just on facts alone but also influenced by fears, emotions, desires. Those in turn are influenced by our experiences, the people we surround ourselves with and the media. That's true wether one consumes main stream media or alternative media.

I can see how it might feel good to think one knows more than those fed lies by mainstream media but please realize you may be fed other lies by other sources. It may feel good mocking science and the experts but it doesn't make it right.

We are all experts in our fields and we wouldn't want this mocked. Our profession is a technically one. We should value science. We should value experts. We are experts and we rely on other experts such as aircraft designers, mechanics and ATC to be professional, too.

Does that mean we should blindly accept anything any scientist tells us? Of course not. But when a majority of scientists can agree on something then it probably means the facts available at the time support that view and not a different one. Yes, they do get it wrong but science does correct itself. It's not a religion based on belief.

And once again, all those conspiracies are helping no one. They also don't make sense. Politicians and the governments can't be incompetent and at the same time orchestrating a huge conspiracy.

It seems much more likely to me that any political failures were a result of incompetence rather than conspiracy.

Most scientists spreading bad science not based on facts are either bad scientists or think they are saying the wrong things for the right reasons. I'm sure that happens. In journalism too by the way. It's not good and needs to be called out when it happens but let's not paint all scientists, journalists, politicians with the same brush. They are human beings just like us and I'm sure most of them want to do the right thing. We don't have to agree with them but we should keep it respectful. Just like we should do when interacting with those we disagree with. In real life and in the internet.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:13 PM
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Wow!!!

Germanaviator guy, I thought I was long winded..

You win!!!!

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Old 03-10-2021, 04:27 AM
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Sorry, man. No facts in your post at all. Zero. Just your opinions, guesses and a question. Nothing you said above is a verifiable fact.

We all know the lone surfer was not a grandma killer and I'd be quite surprised if anyone here was happy to see him get arrested.

​​​​​​It's almost painful to watch how some of you guys enjoy collectively beating on one poster who has opposing views. That's not the American way guys. Calling the one who disagrees the village idiot etc. Look, I don't agree with everything he says but to accuse him of not having an opinion of his own and barely repeating what he was told is too easy. Everyone should realize that we are all biased and our views are never based just on facts alone but also influenced by fears, emotions, desires. Those in turn are influenced by our experiences, the people we surround ourselves with and the media. That's true wether one consumes main stream media or alternative media.

I can see how it might feel good to think one knows more than those fed lies by mainstream media but please realize you may be fed other lies by other sources. It may feel good mocking science and the experts but it doesn't make it right.

We are all experts in our fields and we wouldn't want this mocked. Our profession is a technically one. We should value science. We should value experts. We are experts and we rely on other experts such as aircraft designers, mechanics and ATC to be professional, too.

Does that mean we should blindly accept anything any scientist tells us? Of course not. But when a majority of scientists can agree on something then it probably means the facts available at the time support that view and not a different one. Yes, they do get it wrong but science does correct itself. It's not a religion based on belief.

And once again, all those conspiracies are helping no one. They also don't make sense. Politicians and the governments can't be incompetent and at the same time orchestrating a huge conspiracy.

It seems much more likely to me that any political failures were a result of incompetence rather than conspiracy.

Most scientists spreading bad science not based on facts are either bad scientists or think they are saying the wrong things for the right reasons. I'm sure that happens. In journalism too by the way. It's not good and needs to be called out when it happens but let's not paint all scientists, journalists, politicians with the same brush. They are human beings just like us and I'm sure most of them want to do the right thing. We don't have to agree with them but we should keep it respectful. Just like we should do when interacting with those we disagree with. In real life and in the internet.

Here is what we KNOW:

Backed by studies and by observation of data collected over the past year. Lockdown, general masking, and other restrictions had little to no effect on the number of cases or the number of deaths per capita. When you compare similar populations living in similar climates, with opposite reactions to the virus there is no statistical difference in outcome. It is time to stop blaming people to want to get back to normal and accept that if you are personally afraid you need to take the measures you feel are necessary and not require your fellow citizens to bear that responsibility.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
Here is what we KNOW:

Backed by studies and by observation of data collected over the past year. Lockdown, general masking, and other restrictions had little to no effect on the number of cases or the number of deaths per capita. When you compare similar populations living in similar climates, with opposite reactions to the virus there is no statistical difference in outcome. It is time to stop blaming people to want to get back to normal and accept that if you are personally afraid you need to take the measures you feel are necessary and not require your fellow citizens to bear that responsibility.
The thing that annoys me is that if you are saying masks are effective, you justify that using "science" which is really just (poorly run) observational studies IMHO, but still science. If you are saying masks are not effective, you also justify that using science - like the body of work pre-pandemic and the RCT trials done since - but some how that is a hoax, not valid, basically voodoo.

Why is it that the popular media science is the only science? Isn't the whole point of science to be open to the actual evidence and not to rubber stamp the political prevailing opinion? Science is supposed to include a guess at what the truth is, and that a lot of work to both prove and disprove that guess. Where is the real evidence of the effectiveness of closing schools, masks, shutting down business and lockdowns? How can people implement these costly measures with such confidence when there is nothing to really back that up?

Ironically, germ theory was a very unpopular theory when it was first introduced, because the doctors egos and the "science" of the time could not accept that it was possible that the doctors themselves were causing their patients more harm. Eventually we came around.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-women-s-lives
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