rickair7777

I tend to agree, at least low-grade personality disorder.

GogglesPisano

It is an excellent read that helped bring down an empire. And a warning of the direction our society has taken as of late.

John Carr

Agree, god forbid that it and something like 1984 gain momentum/popularity.

They’ll get “canceled”.

galaxy flyer

Related to the topic, highway deaths are way up in 2020. In a nod to Knobcrk1 we need to bring back flagmen walking in front of your car to warn of impending death and destruction. Double Nickel won’t do to bring down the death toll, the new speed limit will be the Nickel. Yes, folks, 5 mph is a safe limit, plus double bumpers and padding all around so pedestrians texting and walking just bounce off unharmed. All drivers will submit toxicology tests and get results prior to any movement of the vehicle. All cars will be socially distant by 60’ and strict limits on number of drivers per mile.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301240410.html

Seneca Pilot

Driving to church is strictly prohibited as large numbers of unprotected and undistanced cars in one parking lot is dangerous and could lead to the spread of accidents. On a positive note, however driving protests are encouraged and drive through liquor stores and strip clubs are deemed essential and can continue to operate as long as the cars maintain the 60' required distancing and have two bras installed on the front fascia of the car. The bras must cover both the bumper and the grill. Furthermore drive through restaurants are ok but there can be no parking in the lot, take away only.

spirited

You got it wrong. MVA on the virus is 5ft, so as long as you sit down at the restaurant, the virus passes harmlessly above you so you can be unmasked. The standing waitstaff though, another story, they are in the virus vector so must be triple masked. Unless they are eating or drinking - once again the virus vector is diverted so you are safe - this virus stays away from people eating or drinking.
C'mon MAN - everybody knows this stuff - its the SAAA YUNCE

Duffman

I really want to see links to those sources. The CDC keeps all of their data right here, nicely itemized by age group, gender, etc for deaths with covid, influenza, pneumonia, or any combination, and it's updated weekly. Presumably, the same percentage of people who die with COVID in a car wreck also die with the flu in a car wreck, so it should even things out for a decent comparison.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

As of now, for the 0-17 age group for 2020/21,
208 "all deaths involving COVID", 178 "all deaths involving influenza."

Total deaths for all ages 2020/21, 3.8M; COVID 494k; flu 9k. Deaths with pneumonia is a real killer though; 426k. Apparently COVID can make pneumonia worse, but I haven't researched too deeply into that.

These are the numbers, do with them what you will. At the end of the day, we're individually responsible for the health and safety of our families and a big part of that is an accurate risk assessment. The real concern with kids getting the virus is that they'll spread it to the rest of their families.

I think the real issue is dialing in laws that balance common sense with a real need to protect the population. There's a reason the speed limit in a school zone in NYC is 15 and there is no speed limit on the highway in MT. Flip those around, and you'd have really big problems.

Also, I agree with relying on personal accountability for rural or more spread out cities, but in really urban areas, you need stricter laws. People in dense cities are far less self sufficient and more reliant on the actions of their government and others to keep them safe. You can't apply blanket-policy statements to both groups. Someone brought up that NY, NJ, RI, and MA were the hardest hit states, despite stricter laws, but those are also the most densely populated states in the country. If you live in a crowded apartment complex, and you rely on public transit, you can't go to the grocery store without spending a few minutes within 6' of at least 100 people. If you live in rural W Texas (and I did live there for a few years), you can go weeks without that type of human contact.

Also, the Lowake Steakhouse. I hope it's still open.

skywatch

One example.

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/202...waukee-county/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

CDC numbers - from their words - note: there were comorbidities or other conditions listed on the death certificates of 94% of all Covid-19 deaths (table 3, weekly.) the 6% of death certificates in which Covid-19 was the only condition listed was likely related to lack of detail listed about other conditions present at the time of death.

Duffman

Interesting CDC data. Here's my analysis:


"In an estimated 91% of these deaths, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause of death. In the remaining 9%, COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause of death."


The primary co-morbidities included 45% pneumonia, 20% hypertension, %16 diabetes, 15% Alzheimer's, and 9% sepsis. It would appear for the pneumonia cases, at least, COVID opened the door for pneumonia, but I'm no doctor. I'm surprised obesity wasn't listed.


Apparently 50k people die in an average year of pneumonia: https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/pneumonia/i...20are%20adults.


Also, about 1/3 of the adult population has hyper-tension, with the worst area being the South:

https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm

Gotta keep that blood pressure under control.


I dug into how death certs are accomplished and apparently it's really up to the doctor. COVID deaths are assigned a code that affects the routing of the data, and I'd assume govt aid. The govt just blindly threw money around for CARES and wherever there's a financial incentive with poor oversight, people will take advantage of it (including doctors).:

Here's the CDC's article about how causes of death are determined and how the death certs are processed https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm


I think people getting in car wrecks and COD being listed as COVID, at least enough to significantly skew the data, would likely be reflected somewhere on that page, yet the highest co-morbidity was pneumonia. My gut feeling after reading that is that COVID was underrepresented very early on because they didn't have any testing capability, then it became overrepresented when there was financial motivation. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt the accuracy of the MacIverson article. I would like to see more about the referenced co-morbidities to see the trends though. If the co-morbidities were all 'car accident', 'base jumping,' etc, then that's significantly different from someone whose just genuinely really old and unhealthy (obesity, hyper tension, etc), which is also different from co-morbidities like pneumonia.

Mesabah

The latest CDC mask study confirms what I have been saying all along. Public spread of Covid is non-existent, masks are targeting only 1-2% of the Covid spread vector.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7010e3_w