Originally Posted by Red Forman

Oh, so you just pull numbers out of your ass and hope no one noticed. Good to know.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

This is the root of it all. I mean 95% of the people just shrug it off as something we got to do, it doesn’t hurt anything it’s a pandemic. The rest bring out the tinfoil hats and graphs about not only that they don’t want to do it, which is fine, but they have to prove that it doesn’t work and they know better than the CDC. Do you know better than the CDC? I don’t. It’s puzzling for sure.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Point is regardless of what they think, I don’t know anyone that likes wearing masks, most still put them on and go about their day. They’re not busting out graphs.

Originally Posted by PlaneS

Right? It’s incredible the lengths people will go to just to avoid the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask and standing 6+ feet away from strangers they wouldn’t have a reason to get close to anyways, because “my freedoms.” Not enough people played team sports.

Originally Posted by PlaneS

I’m honestly pretty surprised that saying “masks and social distancing work and should be continued” drew so much disagreement, but here we are



https://dshs.texas.gov/news/releases/2021/20210226.aspx

From the Texas DSHS - 1.7 million fully vaccinated, so just under 6% of the state’s population of 29 mil, and 20% of adults over 65 fully vaccinated, but please go on



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...eadly-n1242340

^ Fauci disagreeing that COVID is similar to the flu



https://www.contagionlive.com/view/f...where-you-live

^ Fauci in July of last year making it clear that going back to school isn’t a simple decision, and depends on location.



https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...es-july-1.html

^ The top two states had the most relaxed policies and the worst case records. Updated 5 hours ago. Where are you getting your facts?

You mischaracterize a lot of what Fauci said. Much of what you describe as “flip flops” were more like cautiously endorsing something at first. It seems you think scientists are trying to deliberately misinform you but remember: this is a novel coronavirus. Not everything is as cut and dry as you would like. In March of last year, there was very little we knew about it. As scientists learn more and more, of course they are going to review and update - sometimes change entirely - their previous positions; that’s the only responsible thing to do when you’ve accumulated more knowledge about something. That doesn’t mean they are wrong or inconsistent; it means they are being responsible and giving people the most up-to-date information. You are looking at changing recommendations and seeing it as being unreliable, when the opposite is true.

So regardless of what has been said it the past, it would behoove everyone to go by the latest recommendations of the CDC that reflect the knowledge and findings of nearly an entire year of research: masks and social distancing work. Discrediting all the scientists’ work because they have changed their minds a few times is discarding all their research and work.



Did you get a chance to read the study I posted? ICI is ineffective because it’s too dangerous and unpredictable. Plenty of people will get COVID going about their daily lives, but counting on enough people to get it to supplement an already robust vaccination program is simply unethical - at best. We don’t even know about the long-term effects of the virus yet, or what differentiates seemingly healthy people who are asymptomatic from healthy people who have a serious reaction.

In concert with the previous study I linked, here’s another good article talking about why ICI is not a good idea, or a good supplement, to vaccines:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/h...-immunity.html



1) Sarcasm is often poorly conveyed over text. 2) Plenty of people have said the same things you did unsarcastically...how would I know?



https://www.niaid.nih.gov/director/publications

^ List of Fauci’s publications and articles. Not sure what you mean by “actually researched” something. Most senior level scientists aren’t the ones actually looking into a microscope even though they are in charge of the study itself. BTW, he is an employee of the federal government, not sure what “industry” you are referring to.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...tients-himself

^ Fauci studying and treating Ebola patients himself, 6 years ago at age 74.

Originally Posted by PlaneS

Right? It’s incredible the lengths people will go to just to avoid the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask and standing 6+ feet away from strangers they wouldn’t have a reason to get close to anyways, because “my freedoms.” Not enough people played team sports.

Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne

Also, you're leaving out a huge portion of the population who simply do not care at all what the CDC or Emperor Fauci has to say about the matter.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Point is regardless of what they think, I don’t know anyone that likes wearing masks, most still put them on and go about their day. They’re not busting out graphs.

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot

Ok lets straighten out some things. No one cares about cases because they are measured in different ways by different states. We can only use deaths per million because we know someone actually died. We can't be sure if it was from covid or with covid but deaths are the only hard metric we can use.

Per World meter today, the top four states in deaths per 1 million are:
1) New Jersey
2) New York
3)Rhode Island
4) Massachusetts

We don't get to North Dakota until number 11. Of the top ten above ND all but SD, MS, LA, and AL are high restriction states. Although not as severe as NY and NJ, MS, LA, and AL did have restrictions but not as heavy handed as NY for example.

The difference from highest deaths per million in NJ at 2640 deaths per million and ND at #11 with 1900 deaths per million is only seven tenths of one percent. Notwithstanding that NY and NJ with their highly restrictive covid policies still led the nation in deaths, the difference between first in deaths and eleventh in deaths hardly would justify closing businesses and keeping children out of school for a year even if it were reversed and ND led in deaths instead of NY..