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Old 11-20-2020, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
We all know that you won't acknowledge this because you're delusional. But I'll play along.

1. Trump's law team is actively seditious in their claims without evidence and actually inciting militias to "retake this country." Team Trump has gone from a dispute over the election and has now crossed into the realm of being enemies of the state. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUSE...youtu.be&t=788

2. Joe Biden is the 'apparent winner' of the 2020 Presidential Election. That has meaning. According to the Memorandum of Understanding with the GSA, the Presidential Transition should be enacted. The Trump administration is actively and intentionally delaying the recognition of President-Elect Biden, in violation of the MOU.

https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/2020_M...28Biden%29.pdf

3. Today, Georgia certified their election results. On Monday, Pennsylvania and Michigan will certify theirs. At that point it's over. There will be no legal standing to overturn the election. President-Elect Biden will be the certified winner. GSA must acknowledge Biden and begin the transition process. Anything less will be interference.

4. And let's not forget the daily pile of bullsh*t that comes from Trump's Twitter feed. He is actively casting doubts on our most sacred institution, our democratic process. Also, you complain about Clinton's comments, but don't think for a minute that Trump wont whine about how he was robbed DAILY until he dies or is thrown in prison.

5. Team Trump has failed to deliver any meaningful evidence of wide-spread voter fraud. Only conspiracy, hearsay, and conjecture. Asking for a 3 state, 400,000 vote advantage to be overturned without hard evidence is laughable.

6. All that and the fact that Joe Biden won 80+ million votes, with a 8 million vote advantage. And apparent victory of 306-232. The amount of votes needed to be thrown out for Trump to retain power is absolutely unprecedented in the history of this nation. It would take about 1,000,000 votes to be thrown out in 3 states. It will never happen, so long as people act in good faith and with allegiance to the Constitution. We all know it. Why don't you?
So he has broken no laws regarding the transition of power.

Interestingly Bill Clinton took a similar stance in the 2000 election.

As for lack of evidence, there are currently sworn affidavits, which are evidence.

Another thing about this whole situation is the lack of willingness to allow the legal fights to play out. One who is confident in their legal case would be willing to see the inside of a courtroom. Instead we see lawyers representing Trump being harassed and threatened, sometimes by other lawyers. Those are not the actions of people who feel confident in their ability win.

I do not know how it will all play out. Giuliani and team have made some very serious and large claims, if true, specifically against Dominion. Claims, that if they are untrue, would be an easy win in a defamation suit. Interestingly, I have not heard of Dominion filing any such suits. It would be a quick way to shut the whole thing down, if the claims are false.
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Old 11-20-2020, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
So he has broken no laws regarding the transition of power.
You didn't ask for examples of law breaking. You asked for examples of interference. You see how you do this? You're so bad at this.

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Interestingly Bill Clinton took a similar stance in the 2000 election.
The 2000 FL election wasn't certified until the Supreme Court released its stay, due to the recount. The margin was ~500 votes. There is no recount in Michigan and Pennsylvania and the combined vote lead for Biden is 240,000. There will be no delay in certification. If Trump and his administration continue to deny the Presidential Transition after a winner has been certified then he is way out of bounds.

Like I said, Trump is acting in unprecedented ways. And he will lose.


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Old 11-20-2020, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
You didn't ask for examples of law breaking. You asked for examples of interference. You see how you do this? You're so bad at this.
I understand reading is hard for you, but here is my exact question, I specifically asked for the laws, because what you provided is opinion:

Provide the evidence that he is interfering. What part of the Constitution, or other laws, is Trump not complying with in regards to a transition of power?
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Old 11-20-2020, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
I understand reading is hard for you, but here is my exact question, I specifically asked for the laws, because what you provided is opinion:
That's actually 2 separate questions. And I answered them both. Interference? check. (see above) Violation of the MOU with GSA? check. (link attached above)

I'd like to know what world you live on where Trump can overturn this election. Please explain to me how that plays out.

I'm sooo boooorred...
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
So he has broken no laws regarding the transition of power.

Interestingly Bill Clinton took a similar stance in the 2000 election.

As for lack of evidence, there are currently sworn affidavits, which are evidence.

Another thing about this whole situation is the lack of willingness to allow the legal fights to play out. One who is confident in their legal case would be willing to see the inside of a courtroom. Instead we see lawyers representing Trump being harassed and threatened, sometimes by other lawyers. Those are not the actions of people who feel confident in their ability win.

I do not know how it will all play out. Giuliani and team have made some very serious and large claims, if true, specifically against Dominion. Claims, that if they are untrue, would be an easy win in a defamation suit. Interestingly, I have not heard of Dominion filing any such suits. It would be a quick way to shut the whole thing down, if the claims are false.
He point was about not just the lack of evidence, but the lack of meaningful or hard evidence. Liars, cheats and people who are mistaken about the facts sign sworn affidavits all the time.

Your assertion is incorrect about the legal fight. He has been allowed to have his day(s) in court, and has lost them all. We have passed the point where it's painfully obvious that he's wasting the court's time, and though it can be argued that it's his right to do so, the problem is that he's really abusing the system at the expense of the shredding of our democratic norms. That's what he's being called out for because, given the margins, and the totality of the situation, he clearly will not prevail.

"It might be YOUR right to do so, but given the circumstances, it might not be right to do so."

You really are defending the indefensible.
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Old 11-21-2020, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
That's actually 2 separate questions. And I answered them both. Interference? check. (see above) Violation of the MOU with GSA? check. (link attached above)

I'd like to know what world you live on where Trump can overturn this election. Please explain to me how that plays out.

I'm sooo boooorred...
It’s one question, and an MOU is not a law. keep braying though.

If the Trump team is “interfering” then Biden should sue.

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Old 11-21-2020, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
He point was about not just the lack of evidence, but the lack of meaningful or hard evidence. Liars, cheats and people who are mistaken about the facts sign sworn affidavits all the time.

Your assertion is incorrect about the legal fight. He has been allowed to have his day(s) in court, and has lost them all. We have passed the point where it's painfully obvious that he's wasting the court's time, and though it can be argued that it's his right to do so, the problem is that he's really abusing the system at the expense of the shredding of our democratic norms. That's what he's being called out for because, given the margins, and the totality of the situation, he clearly will not prevail.

"It might be YOUR right to do so, but given the circumstances, it might not be right to do so."

You really are defending the indefensible.

Suddenly what is evidence is no longer evidence. Now sworn affidavits are no longer evidence.

It is your assertion, based on nothing, that the legal fight is over. People who are confident would allow the legal fight to play out, knowing they will win. Those who are not, make threats, harass, and otherwise try to prevent the legal process from happening.

They have evidence, you may disagree with it, but it is evidence. If what the affidavits are true then trying to prevent the legal process from occurring is indefensible.

Do you have any evidence that the affidavits are not credible? That what they claim is not true?
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Old 11-21-2020, 04:12 AM
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Good try getting this thread back on track!


Originally Posted by AntiPeter
COVID tests have increased nationwide from about 1 million per day at the beginning of the month to 1.6 million per day this week, so that partially explains the increase in positives.

Also, South Dakota has been in the news quite a bit, however their ICUs never reached capacity and their cases have been declining this week:

https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD
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Old 11-21-2020, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
Do you have any evidence that the affidavits are not credible? That what they claim is not true?
That is not how that works at all. You. Are. So. Bad. At. This.

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff. And right now they've only insinuated at a global conspiracy involving countries from 5 continents (lol) in a scheme to steal the election from Trump (and only Trump, the rest of the Republicans did fine.) I'd say the ball is firmly in their court to make the case. Which they haven't.

By the way, you still haven't detailed how this plays out. Please tell me how Trump is re-inaugurated in January. (Can't say re-elected because that wouldn't be true.)

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Old 11-21-2020, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
That is not how that works at all. You. Are. So. Bad. At. This.

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff. And right now they've only insinuated at a global conspiracy involving countries from 5 continents (lol) in a scheme to steal the election from Trump (and only Trump, the rest of the Republicans did fine.) I'd say the ball is firmly in their court to make the case. Which they haven't.

By the way, you still haven't detailed how this plays out. Please tell me how Trump is re-inaugurated in January. (Can't say re-elected because that wouldn't be true.)

K, thanks.
Speaking of being bad at this. I said they do have evidence. A sworn affidavit is evidence, and they have multiple of them. That amounts to evidence.

AlBizniz implied that the affidavits were not credible, I asked for evidence of that. The burden of proof for that claim is on the one making it. I merely pointed out that they in fact have evidence.

Your reading comprehension is continuing to get worse. I specifically said I do not know how it will play out. The claims being made in regards to Dominion are serious, *if* true. *If* not true, it would make a fairly easy defamation case. Dominion, to my knowledge, has not taken any legal action so far.

To claim that there is no evidence is dishonest. You not liking the evidence does not invalidate it.
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