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Old 11-17-2020, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
Concocted dossier/Russian collusion (proven all a manufactured lie) to undermine elected President and his agenda

Obama spying on the incoming President

Obama going after a conservative journalist (James Rosen, Fox News)

Obama weaponizing the IRS to go after conservative groups

Obama essentially arming ISIS (why was Ambassador Stevens there that night, to begin with?)

“The police acted stupidly” (green lighting Antifa (think Dallas police massacre))

Coddling of the Muslim Brotherhood

I have a phone and a pen (usurping Republican Congress)

“If you like your doctor” (crafting the message to dupe people into support of the Affordable Care Act)

Separating children from their families at the border (started with Obama)

Fascist tendencies? These are just off the top of my nugget.

You write as if Trump is some kind of unique partisan, when the reality is, so is your guy. You ignore his “transgressions” while throwing around “fascism” in an effort of internet oneupism.

And don’t accuse me of “whataboutism.” I’m merely illustrating the reality of politics. After all, “elections have consequences.”
Well, that is indeed whataboutism if you can't admit to some faults in Trump's dealings, methods and ways. My critique of him isn't partisan, it is the reality of who he is and what he has done. If a democrat (and I'm not one btw) acted in the same manner I'd be calling out the same absurdity.

The reality of politics is indeed that no administration is perfect or above reproach. Obama wasn't without his missteps and it's fair be critical of some things but I'll take the likes of such an administration all day long than what we've endured the last for years. The two just can't be compared on an even level or in fact any other administration in modern history.

Some of your points have some validity (James Rosen, the IRS - though they did target left groups as well) but others are false (no evidence Obama spied on Trump, the border separations, Steele Dossier is mixed but did corroborate some actual findings) and others are your opinions.

For the record we can agree on some things such as 'I have a phone and pen' as I'm leery of EO's being used as a de-facto rule by decree no matter who is in office. Obama had 276 in eight years and Trump at 192 was on pace to handily outdo that. Biden has promised to sign multiple EO's his first day while I agree with the intent of some of them it shouldn't be how our government operates IMO. Might be time for a hard look at Executive Orders and/or learn to get along better so the government can once again be for the people in a more meaningful way.
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Old 11-17-2020, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
You might find wearing a mask less offensive if you brushed your teeth every once in a while.
Certain brands of mouthwash kill Covid.
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Old 11-17-2020, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Wow, deaths spike a single digit number, and then went down again during a seasonal virus, I'm totally and completely shocked.

BTW, here is a mask study https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...searchresult=1
1)Masks are most effective when worn by the infected person. That is very well known now. This study does not address that at all.

2)The study does however shown a strong relationship between wearing a mask and lower rates of seropositivity.

It’s laughable watching a pilot with no medical training and apparently no background in science try to prove the modern medical system wrong.
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Old 11-17-2020, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Fake information, Sweden is not going into any partial lockdown. The second wave of virus has already rolled over there, which is what you would expect from herd immunity. The increase is due to testing now, vs in the earlier part of the year.

Sweden’s cases per capita are currently 10 times higher than Finland and four times higher than Norway. Last week, the rate at which people were being admitted into hospital was growing faster in Sweden than any other European country.
https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-...c-79e1bf2b68e2


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...nd-wave-swells
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
You might find wearing a mask less offensive if you brushed your teeth every once in a while.
Your wife loves the scent.

BTW it was 2 weeks to stop the spread....where are we now?
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Old 11-17-2020, 04:11 PM
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The emperor has no clothes...

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/93600...d-disinformati

Saw this one coming, yet another example of corruption and fascist tendencies. A well liked and competent department head that got his post during the Trump admin is now fired because he did his job. So yet another agency that will get yet another temporary head causing more needless instability.
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Old 11-17-2020, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
The emperor has no clothes...

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/93600...d-disinformati

Saw this one coming, yet another example of corruption and fascist tendencies. A well liked and competent department head that got his post during the Trump admin is now fired because he did his job. So yet another agency that will get yet another temporary head causing more needless instability.
I believe POTUS has been compromised by the Russians, and their decades long efforts and desire to discredit American democracy as this shining beacon on a hill, is finally paying off in spades.

Nothing else explains his purges, and reckless trampling on our nation's democratic norms.

Something ain't right....
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Old 11-17-2020, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
Ha ha. Ok then. It's the morality mask police again. "Wear a mask to protect xxxxx"

Nietzsche said it best:
"Much of what passes itself off as morality, is merely obedient cowardice"

Get over yourselves.
Phins, you and Mesabah need to reevaluate your positions as new data comes in.
You know who you guys really are? You're the Captains who will sit in moderate for an hour because you made your choice, even though there's smooth rides reported at 380. People are throwing up in the back. Your FO is begging you to change altitudes. But you couldn't dare to look weak by changing your minds.

It's kind of sad, honestly.
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Old 11-17-2020, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
I believe POTUS has been compromised by the Russians, and their efforts to discredit American democracy as this shining beacon on a hill, is paying off in spades.

Nothing else explains his purges, and reckless trampling on our nation's democratic norms.
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.
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Old 11-17-2020, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.
You think purging the Executive Branch on the way out the door isn't malicious? How about a last minute strike on Iran to kickstart a war?
The water that you all carry for Trump could fill the Hoover Dam. It's mind blowing.
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