Fox News: surge in new cases
10-15-2020, 10:07 AM
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FACT: BEFORE COVID the average life expectancy for a nursing home or long term care facility resident was about 2.2 years.
They ran about a 35% annual mortality. For many people with serious comorbidities who are incapable of independent living All it takes is a simple cold to be a life threatening event.
They ran about a 35% annual mortality. For many people with serious comorbidities who are incapable of independent living All it takes is a simple cold to be a life threatening event.
Hey be careful.....there are folks here (millennials I strongly suspect) that don’t handle uncomfortable truths very well.
10-15-2020, 10:19 AM
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I don’t know what we can do about that. Here’s a study from Norway - a country that has fairly good (if socialized) medical care and probably a more supportive family structure than we have here, but the first world has an aging population and at a certain point they require more care than their families - even augmented with home healthcare workers - can provide.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
Median survival in NH was 2.2 years (95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.9–2.4). Yearly mortality rate throughout the three-year observation period was 31.8%. Mortality was associated with higher age and comorbidity at BL, and more severe dementia, higher ADL-dependency, less severe psychotic symptoms, and a lower BMI throughout the study period. Of the organizational variables, living on a ward with more residents resulted in a higher risk of mortality.
Conclusion
In conclusion, the NH mortality rate remained stable throughout the three-year study period with about one third of the residents deceasing each year. Individual resident characteristics appeared to be more important than organizational variables for predicting mortality risk. The finding of an association between ward size and mortality risk deserves further investigation in future studies.
10-15-2020, 01:27 PM
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I don’t know what we can do about that. Here’s a study from Norway - a country that has fairly good (if socialized) medical care and probably a more supportive family structure than we have here, but the first world has an aging population and at a certain point they require more care than their families - even augmented with home healthcare workers - can provide.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
Perhaps folks who need to be in nursing homes in then first place are on their last legs anyway?
10-15-2020, 01:54 PM
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A certain segment of the population has over exaggerated the need to save everyone for political gain.
In Colorado, the elderly in a nursing home/Care facility held a protest to NOT be isolated... They stated they rather catch Covid (and its possible outcome) being surrounded by loved ones and their grandkids (being able to hug them etc) VS.. being isolated.. (to what? live for an extra 6 months or a year alone?)
10-15-2020, 02:02 PM
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Fox News, global surge/morality spikes article: https://www.foxnews.com/health/globa...lity-spike-who
Published Oct 15. In sum, we see the case surge now, the death surge will be later.
Published Oct 15. In sum, we see the case surge now, the death surge will be later.
Global coronavirus surge will lead to mortality spike, WHO warns
'Mortality increases always lag behind increasing cases by a couple of weeks,' said WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan
'Mortality increases always lag behind increasing cases by a couple of weeks,' said WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan
10-15-2020, 02:26 PM
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Fox News, global surge/morality spikes article: https://www.foxnews.com/health/globa...lity-spike-who
Published Oct 15. In sum, we see the case surge now, the death surge will be later.
Published Oct 15. In sum, we see the case surge now, the death surge will be later.
That’s great but look at the summer spike because there was no corresponding spike in deaths.
10-17-2020, 11:14 AM
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Masks were designed to protect a hospital worker-be it doctors, nurses or anyone else-from a tuberculosis bacteria infection brought in by tuberculosis patients. Masks actually work for this application. Why? Because the TB bacteria is sized at .5 microns and masks are constructed to filter down to .3 microns thereby providing .2 microns of conservatism. Investigate valved masks. When the wearer exhales the valve opens directly to the outside. Why? Because the doctor doesn’t have TB and can exhale directly to the outside without concern for others. When the doctor inhales the valve closes. Why? So the TB particles don’t inflow into the mask and infect the doctor.
Masks are designed for BACTERIA not VIRUS. A virus is sized at .06 microns to .12 microns. A viral particle sized at .06 microns is 55 times smaller than the .3 micron filter of the vast overwhelming majority of medical grade masks. Cloth masks have filters sized at 7000 microns x 7000 microns. Tens of millions of .06 micron viral particles fit inside one single filter hole in a cloth mask. Viral particles attached to any water particle/etc smaller than .3 or 7000 microns respectively is sailing directly through these masks. And this doesn’t even consider that absolutely zero filtration occurs around the outside of these masks and through the totally open valve.
You know where else you can get infected? Through the eyes. I don’t even think this warrants an obvious mask comment.
In my studied opinion masks are totally useless. In fact, they are depriving you of the oxygen you need (measurably so), poisoning you with CO2, and exponentially increasing your risk of staph infection. Ask the flight attendant I was sitting next to on a deadhead flight 5 months ago who fell asleep head down slightly in a mask. Promptly seized and went unconscious after 20 minutes. The individual was incoherent as the EMT’s carried them off after the divert. I hope they survived. By the way, call any mask manufacturer like I have and ask them how they protect against viruses. Well you know what the answer will be...
Oh yea, I engaged in this study because I had this minor flu early on. Do you all know how many people had the swine flu 10 years ago? I have yet to find a SINGLE person that can answer. Nor can I find a SINGLE person who can answer how many have had this Corona virus. Sad. Very sad. 1.4 Billion with a B got swine flu a decade ago. 38 million with an M have gotten Corona virus including me. That makes swine flu 36 times worse than corona. Remember when we destroyed everything ten years ago like now? ....I didn’t think so. And just in case there are those out there that say “but but but corona is far more deadly!” Well lets apply some basic math. The US represents 5% of the world’s population. Since we are in a “pandemic” that means we should expect 5% of deaths to be American. But they aren’t. They are 20%. 200,000 US deaths out of the 1,000,000 worldwide. I call total statistical BS on that unless you somehow think the virus hates americans. The numbers here are garbage.
By the way, we have studied about 50 types of corona viruses over the decades. 20% of colds are caused by corona viruses. And the all generally act the same way.
I sincerely hope that behind the scenes there are armies of lawyers gearing up and studying the reality of what has happened here. In my opinion there is only one possibility: organized malicious intent on a global scale. It disgusts me to see all of the lives and careers ruined as a result.....
Masks are designed for BACTERIA not VIRUS. A virus is sized at .06 microns to .12 microns. A viral particle sized at .06 microns is 55 times smaller than the .3 micron filter of the vast overwhelming majority of medical grade masks. Cloth masks have filters sized at 7000 microns x 7000 microns. Tens of millions of .06 micron viral particles fit inside one single filter hole in a cloth mask. Viral particles attached to any water particle/etc smaller than .3 or 7000 microns respectively is sailing directly through these masks. And this doesn’t even consider that absolutely zero filtration occurs around the outside of these masks and through the totally open valve.
You know where else you can get infected? Through the eyes. I don’t even think this warrants an obvious mask comment.
In my studied opinion masks are totally useless. In fact, they are depriving you of the oxygen you need (measurably so), poisoning you with CO2, and exponentially increasing your risk of staph infection. Ask the flight attendant I was sitting next to on a deadhead flight 5 months ago who fell asleep head down slightly in a mask. Promptly seized and went unconscious after 20 minutes. The individual was incoherent as the EMT’s carried them off after the divert. I hope they survived. By the way, call any mask manufacturer like I have and ask them how they protect against viruses. Well you know what the answer will be...
Oh yea, I engaged in this study because I had this minor flu early on. Do you all know how many people had the swine flu 10 years ago? I have yet to find a SINGLE person that can answer. Nor can I find a SINGLE person who can answer how many have had this Corona virus. Sad. Very sad. 1.4 Billion with a B got swine flu a decade ago. 38 million with an M have gotten Corona virus including me. That makes swine flu 36 times worse than corona. Remember when we destroyed everything ten years ago like now? ....I didn’t think so. And just in case there are those out there that say “but but but corona is far more deadly!” Well lets apply some basic math. The US represents 5% of the world’s population. Since we are in a “pandemic” that means we should expect 5% of deaths to be American. But they aren’t. They are 20%. 200,000 US deaths out of the 1,000,000 worldwide. I call total statistical BS on that unless you somehow think the virus hates americans. The numbers here are garbage.
By the way, we have studied about 50 types of corona viruses over the decades. 20% of colds are caused by corona viruses. And the all generally act the same way.
I sincerely hope that behind the scenes there are armies of lawyers gearing up and studying the reality of what has happened here. In my opinion there is only one possibility: organized malicious intent on a global scale. It disgusts me to see all of the lives and careers ruined as a result.....
The popular term “somebody’s crazy uncle” comes to mind.
Sometimes people believe what they want and they make the narrative fit the belief. It’s ok that you think and believe all that you put down in your post. It’s ok that people disagree. It’s ok that I disagree with you.
https://youtu.be/k5npQivAmcE
The above link shows a Dr. wearing 6 masks at once and measuring pulse oxygen. Spoiler alert it doesn’t make you oxygen deficient.
Wearing masks does reduce the spread, and the viral load if you are to still get the virus. The droplet size the virus is attached to is very important vs only the size of the virus. Stringent mask usage will help keep businesses running, and avoid lockdowns.
It’s a virus, people will still get it, we need to reduce the spread and follow the advice of epidemiologists and doctors. In WI where I live some hospitals are at capacity right now and your BS is actually more dangerous to our careers than mine. Keeping the spread down until a vaccine comes out which I believe would likely keep us from having additional lockdowns. We don’t need the TSA and passenger numbers to go back to where they were in March and April.
It’s a little about respecting others and putting someone else’s lives ahead of your weekend plans that sound fun. Currently I’m using this time to be with my family, and build an even stronger relationship with my wife and kids, trying to teach my kids respect and responsibility. I’m absolutely not hiding in my basement. I am supporting stores and businesses in my community, those that have a mask policy and for restaurants we do takeout. We limit our interactions with others and therefore reduce the chances of infection to ourselves and others. I’m not living in fear, but not acting irresponsibly either.
Not really sure why it made everything a “link”Whatever.
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