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Old 10-31-2020, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I was bored this evening while waiting for the boss to get back to the plane so I did some math.

With our Covid death rate and our population as of Friday Americans currently have a one in 1528 chance of dying from Covid 19. Below I am attaching a chart made by the National Safety Council, it is from 2017 so some data may have changed but it would be close to today's statistics. This was very enlightening and makes one wonder if our priorities are in the right place.
Now do it again for the causes of death totals for 2020.

Spoiler alert: COVID is 3rd. Behind heart disease and cancer. No other cause of death comes close. Sorry you wasted your evening.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...h-in-the-u-s1/
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WotFace
Now do it again for the causes of death totals for 2020.

Spoiler alert: COVID is 3rd. Behind heart disease and cancer. No other cause of death comes close. Sorry you wasted your evening.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...h-in-the-u-s1/

Our population is 331,508,841 in 2020. Corona virus deaths as of 10/30/2020 217,000. That is a 1 in 1528 chance of death. You are looking at raw numbers not percentage chance over a lifetime. Corona virus is way down the list. Sorry you don't understand basic math and statistics.
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:43 PM
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Our population is 331,508,841 in 2020. Corona virus deaths as of 10/30/2020 217,000. That is a 1 in 1528 chance of death. You are looking at raw numbers not percentage chance over a lifetime. Corona virus is way down the list. Sorry you don't understand basic math and statistics.
1. The year isn't over. 2. COVID's first death didn't happen until MARCH 2020. You're extrapolating this WAG on 7 months of data.

You are the one who doesn't understand basic math and statistics. How embarrassing for you.
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:49 PM
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1. The year isn't over. 2. COVID's first death didn't happen until MARCH 2020. You're extrapolating this WAG on 7 months of data.

You are the one who doesn't understand basic math and statistics. How embarrassing for you.

I will give you the 400K dead by Feb 1 that has been modeled and add 25K just to make you happy. We're all the way down to 1 in 780. We still have much bigger problems than this virus.

And the case fatality rate just keeps on falling and falling.

If the virus hangs around as a serious risk for four years with no drop in deaths (not possible) you still have a greater chance of dying in a car accident yet you still drive.

And the math was correct i was not interested in trying to guess the death total for the entire year of cases that is why I posted the numbers as of 10/30
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I was bored this evening while waiting for the boss to get back to the plane so I did some math.

With our Covid death rate and our population as of Friday Americans currently have a one in 1528 chance of dying from Covid 19. Below I am attaching a chart made by the National Safety Council, it is from 2017 so some data may have changed but it would be close to today's statistics. This was very enlightening and makes one wonder if our priorities are in the right place.

Cause of Death Odds of Dying Heart Disease and Cancer 1 in 7
Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease 1 in 28
Intentional Self-harm 1 in 95
Unintentional Poisoning by and Exposure to Noxious Substances 1 in 96
Motor Vehicle Crash 1 in 114
Fall 1 in 127
Assault by Firearm 1 in 370
Car Occupant 1 in 645
Pedestrian Incident 1 in 647
Motorcycle Rider Incident 1 in 985
Unintentional Drowning and Submersion 1 in 1,188
Exposure to Fire, Flames or Smoke 1 in 1,498
Choking from Inhalation and Ingestion of Food 1 in 3,461
Pedacyclist Incident 1 in 4,486
Firearms Discharge 1 in 6,905
Air and Space Transport Incidents 1 in 9,821
Exposure to Electric Current, Radiation, Temperature and Pressure 1 in 15,212
Exposure to Excessive Natural Heat 1 in 16,584
Contact with Sharp Objects 1 in 38,174
Contact with Heat and Hot Substances 1 in 56,992
Contact with Hornets, Wasps and Bees 1 in 63,225
Cataclysmic Storm 1 in 66,335
Being Bitten or Struck by a Dog 1 in 112,400
Legal Execution 1 in 119,012 Lightning Strike 1 in 161,856
Source: National Safety Council estimates based on data from National Center for Health Statistics–Mortality Data, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program. Deaths are classified on the basis of the World Health Organization’s The International Classification of Diseases (ICD). For additional mortality figures, and estimated one-year and lifetime odds, see Injury Facts® 2017 Edition, pages 40-43.
Yea ok, I wonder what the numbers will be if they let it run wild like you’re advocating. Also for every death there’s countless more that suffered and will have long term consequences from getting it. It’s a disease.
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I will give you the 400K dead by Feb 1 that has been modeled and add 25K just to make you happy. We're all the way down to 1 in 780. We still have much bigger problems than this virus.

And the case fatality rate just keeps on falling and falling.
Your entire premise is false. You can't compare the chances of dying from something that has been around for 8 months with ways to die that have been around since we started keeping track. That's not how it works. You have to take an apples to apples approach. A 1 year snapshot, not a lifetime's chance.

Here let me help. Here's the 2018 totals of leading causes of death.
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
I will give you the 400K dead by Feb 1 that has been modeled and add 25K just to make you happy. We're all the way down to 1 in 780. We still have much bigger problems than this virus.

And the case fatality rate just keeps on falling and falling.

If the virus hangs around as a serious risk for four years with no drop in deaths (not possible) you still have a greater chance of dying in a car accident yet you still drive.

And the math was correct i was not interested in trying to guess the death total for the entire year of cases that is why I posted the numbers as of 10/30

Dude 400k dead. They’re numbers that could be preventable. That doesn’t mean much to you? It’s not just numbers for statistics.
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1. COVID's first death didn't happen until MARCH 2020. You're extrapolating this WAG on 7 months of data.

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Uuuuhhh....

Officials in Santa Clara County, California, announced last night that at least two deaths in early February can now be attributed to COVID-19.

Until now, the first US fatality from the pandemic coronavirus was assumed to be in the Seattle area on Feb 28, but postmortem testing on deaths from Feb 6 and Feb 17 now confirm that COVID-19 was spreading in the San Francisco Bay area weeks earlier than previously thought.

Both fatalities in Santa Clara County had no travel history, and likely acquired COVID-19 through community spread. Initially, Santa Clara officials had marked the first death from COVID-19 in their county on Mar 9, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

In February, Santa Clara County became the first site of confirmed community spread of COVID-19 in the United States, which up until that point had reported only travel-related cases.

The new information on COVID-19 deaths suggests the virus had been spreading for at least 2 to 3 weeks in Santa Clara prior to early February. Even though cities and regions in California were some of the first in the country to shelter in place—by mid-March—those orders likely came 4 to 6 weeks after the virus was seeded in communities.
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Uuuuhhh....
Oh you got me so good. Hey Excargodog, still waiting on the latest worldometer chart posts. Where are they?
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Yea ok, I wonder what the numbers will be if they let it run wild like you’re advocating. Also for every death there’s countless more that suffered and will have long term consequences from getting it. It’s a disease.

I don't advocate to let it "run wild". People who are vulnerable need to be protected with distancing and masks. Healthy people need to be free to live life. I have never said that we need to ignore the virus. What I have said is that healthy people have little to fear from this. I have also said that masks, if not correctly used are not necessarily safe or effective, and that lockdowns cause more harm than good.

The worldwide death rate from Covid is less than 2/100ths of a percent.

1.19 million deaths as of yesterday with 7.8 billion population. 0.0001525641, that's 0.01525641 percent. Let that sink in 99.98474359% chance you live to see tomorrow.
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