Excargodog

complaining about human nature is not going to stop human nature. Even Europe and Australia are clearly not ever going to go back to the kind of sustained lockdowns they once did. Their people simply won’t tolerate them. Don’t preach about what people in Singapore or China or North Korea will tolerate, we are talking different cultures. I suspect we have already taken the best shot we will ever take for societal controls, they simply weren’t effective enough soon enough to draw support for more.

It doesn’t have to make sense to you personally, the British Parliament was genuinely surprised that the Stamp Act and blockading Boston Harbor until the rowdy band of Colonials paid for the tea would actually stoke a revolution, it made sense to the people that did it. Same here. If lockdowns had been any sort of dramatic success IN THE US that might have bough the states credibility enough to repeat them. They did not. Don’t matter if you think that’s just because they weren’t applied soon enough or strictly enough. You don’t get a second chance to make a first impression and the ship has now sailed.

Time to deal with that reality.

WotFace

Most of these articles were written when data was scarce and the country was scrambling. The country's negligent lack of testing in April led to huge holes in our intel of where the virus was and where it was headed.

Also, IHME took a lot of heat from their Sept 6. model, which was an anomaly compared to the rest of their bi-weekly predictions.

But hey, it sounds like you've already reached your conclusion. Don't let facts (or models) stand in your way. And if IHME doesn't float your boat, there are a dozen more models to choose from.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/

Seneca Pilot

What a ridiculous distortion of my post.

Lets take your risk mitigation to its logical conclusion.

People die in car accidents, so no more cars.

People die from airplane accidents, so no more flying.

People die from skiing accidents, so no more skiing.

People die from obesity related comorbidities, so no more food.

People die from motorcycle accidents, so no more motorcycling.

People die from falling in the shower, so no more showers.

People fall off their roofs and die when cleaning the gutters, so no more roofs, gutters, or houses.

Etc, etc, etc, etc.

Every day when you wake up you expose yourself to a myriad of risks. Wuhan flu is just one of many. We will all die from something and for many of us it will be from something we would never have guessed.

No matter how you try you cannot escape the fact that this virus is airborne and WILL make its way through the population. Luckily for our world population it kills very few of the people it infects. As of yesterday 1.18 million of 7.8 billion. 0.0151282%.

WotFace

Here are some sure signs when things are getting bad.

When Excargodog:
-- Stops posting daily worldometer charts
-- Stops comparing death per million stats with Europe
-- Starts comparing deaths to global mortality totals

... then you know it's really bad.

WotFace

This is 100% false. We've had a leader who has been an insurgent against mitigation since the very beginning. The damage to our response has been catastrophic. This was most definitely not our best shot.

If you stop taking your antibiotics half way through the cycle and your gonorrhea comes back, it doesn't mean the antibiotics were ineffective. It means that you weren't responsible enough to finish the treatment.

Excargodog

I didn’t say it was the best shot we might have been able to take, I said it was the best shot we will ever get, and it was. There is simply too much COVID fatigue and active resistance To lockdowns to do any better on a second attempt.


Well, you may well be the voice of experience on gonorrhea treatment, but it simply doesn’t matter. One can avoid gonorrhea or HIV for that matter - simply through condom use - BUT AS A SOCIETY WE’VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF (no pun intended). Nor are you going to change that. Intercepting HIV infections are a thousand times easier than stopping this from spreading, and far easier for contact tracing because most of us actually know the name of someone we’ve been screwing, but I’ve been within six feet of dozens of total strangers today - most of us have.

But lamenting what could have or should have been done is silly, what WAS done is the historical reality and it has gotten us to here, and nothing is going to change that. And where ‘here’ is is at COVID fatigue. Without attempting to turn the US into a police state the will is simply not there for a severe lockdown. It just isn’t.

AZFlyer

The French aren't taking another lockdown very well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-lockdown.html

AntiPeter

Which of course spreads the virus more, as people travel away and mingle.

Oh well. At least the French and Italians are showing a backbone, unlike the Germans.

block30

The troll is back and wondering again why no one listens to his drivel.

Excargodog

Nor is the REST of Europe:

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