Excargodog

One can be upset with the extremely bad if not criminal policy of intentionally placing known contagious individuals into nursing homes full of the most vulnerable while simultaneously acknowledging the scientific fact that the untimely deaths of so many deleted from the risk pool a popukation that was at high risk of dying in the subsequent months. ANNUAL mortality in nursing homes and long term care facilities were about 35% BEFORE COVID and certainly those who died back in April or May are now at zero risk of dying today.

In fairness, Epidemics have always been harder on cities because of higher population density and commerce related travel going back to before written histories, but yeah, the NY and NJ governors screwed the pooch initially...

skywatch

Glad we agree on something. Let's try this - show me one study of the use of masks to control a respiratory disease that shows empirical evidence of any kind proving the efficacy of a mask. Something actual measuring the effectiveness of the mask in a virus transmission with isolated variables and real controls. I haven't seen one yet; there are lots of statistical studies comparing areas that wear them that don't, but even those are suspect today (see the graph posted showing mask wearing countries vs. non-mask wearing countries).

Again, looking for a scientific study. Not the "do bricks keep away elephants? I keep a brick on my nightstand, there are no elephants in my bedroom, ergo bricks keep away elephants" type of junk science that is popular on the TODAY show.

There are lots of them out there before COVID, all of which say they don't. But for some reason none of that science is valid anymore.

Excargodog

Just for perspective...



AND THAT’s at 06:37 this AM west coast time.

Knobcrk1

What does that have anything to do with what I said? It’s just some article about is supposed to happen when there’s concern. It has nothing to do with how it was handled in hindsight. It was supposed to go way by Easter and it was going to be beautiful remember?

Seneca Pilot

It isn't a sinister accusation. Cuomo did, in fact, force nursing homes to accept infected patients despite their pleading for him to reconsider the policy.

skywatch

Serious question - curious if you know and not trying to downplay the virus - how many people would have died during that time period anyway? How many additional people will die of undiagnosed/untreated disease during the "lockdown"? How many additional suicides and mental health issues? How many people around the world will starve to death because of the increased poverty?

Knobcrk1

It was estimated that 20 to 60k died from the flu last year. For the whole year. Covid has killed 230k in 6 months and it’s still about to be only November!! How in the world can you still have the mentality that it’s just part of being alive. It makes no sense. Car crashes, cancers aren’t contagious. There’s a huge difference between infection from a pandemic vs random deaths. The difference is that one is preventable and the other is random.

ACEssXfer

What would you propose we do about it? Serious question. How can we make it better?

emersonbiguns

Maybe if it can't be answered, it shouldn't used to rationalize a "hands off" approach to a novel coronavirus pandemic?

NE_Pilot

If you can’t do anything about it, then draconian measures that cause more pain and suffering are not the answer. What “hands on” approach do you recommend for something we can’t do anything about?