block30

Take it easy there mister! Ya know some people like to leave said mask on, while driving by themself, windows rolled up, for long periods of time.

Cant be too safe these days!

Seneca Pilot

I am not sure what he will post but I think bureaucrats that are nearly impossible to fire is a bad thing. Presidents from either party should not have to battle bureaucrats in their own administration that openly oppose that president's policies.

Merle Haggard

POTUS wearing, promoting, and yes (gasp) even requiring masks would have FAR, FAR eclipsed the combined effect of everything mentioned above put together. Even HIS CDC chief said masks were likely more effective than a vaccine. Masks certainly work better on anti-vaxxers (although they seem to make up a big portion of the anti-maskers as well). I suppose if you reject science, you reject science.

Weird how everyone here takes a lot of science in stride when invisible forces cause their 300,000lb airplane to leave terra firma.

All Bizniz

He abandoned press conferences after he was ridiculed and pressed on his bleach statement, and Fauci and others on the same stage with him, had to diplomatically correct his other BS on various other occasions.

He was dragged kicking and screaming, to invoke the Defense Production Act.

It goes on, and on.

POTUS calculated that the Corona pandemic would hurt his chances for reelection, so he deliberately played it down. Saying it will be gone by Easter, then Summer, then next month... That's why at most stages, whatever he did do, was with great reluctance and amid political, and public pressure.

If you understand this, you will understand why he dragged his feet.

Here is a very detailed time-line of his failed response. These are all verifiable events, whether you want to check the "lame stream" or conservative media:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response

ACEssXfer

Hilarious that one of the items in that stupid article that trump got wrong was falsely thinking he could overrule states shelter in place guidance.

So he can't overrule state mandated policies. But he could've somehow done better than stopping flights from China(called a racist and xenophobe for doing this), declaring a national emergency, invoking defense production act, and signing into law 2.2 TRILLION dollars of federal spending to help American people.

You can't have it both ways. He cannot control state's individual responses. other than the dems war-cry of "he didn't tell us to wear masks"(because his advisers told him not to) what else could he have done? It seems he did everything in his power on a federal level.

What else could trump have done on a federal level to make this better?

BobZ

Well if it enables cleaning up the incompetents and abusers at the VA im all for it.

Merle Haggard

Lead by example when you can't lead by policy.

25,000 people at a MAGA rally ain't that.
Not wearing a mask ain't that.
Riding around Walter Reed while Covid positive ain't that.
Making fun of masks ain't that.
Un-distanced events on the WH lawn ain't that.
Insulting the country's top infectious disease expert ain't that.
Seeking the guidance of Scott Atlas (a radiologist) to lead a national pandemic response ain't that.

It goes on and on. Anyone who has been in a leadership position understands that example "trumps" policy every time. He has poisoned the well so thoroughly that 40% of the country will never wear a mask, never take a vaccine, and never behave respectfully toward the other 60% no matter who ends up in charge.

This thing is going to run its course no matter how ugly it gets.

Seneca Pilot

[QUOTE=https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response[/QUOTE]


If we are just going to post partisan websites then here is equal time:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...avirus-n382782

skywatch

Serious question for you and the rest that say "science" and "data" and all of this with regards to masks.

Can you point me to one actual scientific study, based on causation rather than just correlation, that validates the claim that cloth masks are contributing to a reduction in spread of the virus? And please, I mean something with numbers like "XX% less spread" where the conditions are controlled enough to attribute this observed improvement DIRECTLY to the use of masks? And before you do, please don't link me to some newspaper article summarizing a study, or don't give me some comparison between "countries that wear masks and those that don't" because, quite frankly, I have a magic brick in my house that prevents elephant attacks - haven't even seen an elephant since I got that brick. I want actual science, not what passes for media science.

JamesNoBrakes

That never happened, only Chinese citizens NOT immediate family members of US citizens, on direct flights from China. Flights did not "stop" like you claim. Maybe as passenger load reduced, they were cut back, but they weren't "banned". US citizens traveling from China to the US and immediate non-citizen family members were free to come here and infect. There plenty of other exclusions too, check the order from the white house below. 300,000 had come from China in the previous month, some other good information in the below links.

You also have to consider the effectiveness of what was done, combined with how vectors can easily pass on at intermediary stops, so all the places that Chinese flights operate to that then have connecting flights to the US on different carriers...

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/th...-restrictions/

Heck, here's the actual order:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-coronavirus/