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Old 10-22-2020, 12:16 PM
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I don’t think a single field hospital has actually been used in the US to any appreciable capacity at any point in this pandemic. I’m pretty sure state govs keep setting them up to give a sense of them “doing something”, only to have them taken down a month or two later with little or no patients being seen. Wisconsin will be the same way.
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Just being more responsible? So are we to charge those that get the virus 'less responsible'?

Virtue signaling nonsense.

Other than locking myself in a box it is hard to imagine i cud have been 'more responsible'......and I STILL got it.
Bobz sorry to hear that you ended up with COVID. I do hope that you are doing well and have no lingering health issues. Truly.

Secondly, there are differences in how much people are willing to risk. Not saying that you were irresponsible. Not at all.

Lastly, there are definitely people that are acting irresponsibly and to say otherwise is just a bunch of BS.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kaputt
I don’t think a single field hospital has actually been used in the US to any appreciable capacity at any point in this pandemic. I’m pretty sure state govs keep setting them up to give a sense of them “doing something”, only to have them taken down a month or two later with little or no patients being seen. Wisconsin will be the same way.
I don’t disagree with your comments. This week they admitted the first patient.

WI hadn’t really had any large increases in cases until the end of summer beginning of fall other than a few local hotspots so it’s understandable that WI and other states that never really had a “first wave” are getting theirs now.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
I don’t disagree with your comments. This week they admitted the first patient.

WI hadn’t really had any large increases in cases until the end of summer beginning of fall other than a few local hotspots so it’s understandable that WI and other states that never really had a “first wave” are getting theirs now.
https://www.wbay.com/2020/10/22/wisc...ions-thursday/

Perhaps cases in Wisconsin have hit their peak? I hope so, the national cheese supply is in jeopardy.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nacho Libre
Bobz sorry to hear that you ended up with COVID. I do hope that you are doing well and have no lingering health issues. Truly.

Secondly, there are differences in how much people are willing to risk. Not saying that you were irresponsible. Not at all.

Lastly, there are definitely people that are acting irresponsibly and to say otherwise is just a bunch of BS.
Thanks for thought. But months in so far im one of the lung damage lotto winners.

Like chronic asthma. Even with daily oral steroids and inhalers my O2 levels run 90-95 which i read is 'transitionally hypoxic'....and my resting HR is at least 30bmp higher than pre covid.

So here is the deal....i was off work. Isolated. Masked. Sanitizer. And I still got it.

Yet I have family members who never masked. Never seriously distanced. Minimal effort. And none of them so far got it.

So who ended up better off? The more careful guy....? Doesn't seem so to me. 😆

it seems really kinda sick to me that on one hand politicians are demanding and dictating a moral responsibility of behaviors to protect against covid.....while otoh once you are sick and facing a potential fatal illness these same moralists are telling you and your doctor what you CANT do to preserve your health and even life.

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Old 10-23-2020, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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and yes, based upon today’s figures we have had about a 60% increase in the seven day average of new cases over the past six weeks with about a 7% increase in daily deaths.

clearly we are either capturing more mild/asymptomatic cases, dealing with a less virulent strain, or giving better treatment, because that Is a huge drop in the case-fatality rate.
First, ITS NOT AS SIMPLE as saying it’s a low death rate. It’s lower because they’ve come up better ways of treating it. HOWEVER, if you can’t find proper medical care when you need it, you have a very high chance of dying from this. Its NOT JUST THE FLU for a significant population. Many die because they can’t get help or attention due to overwhelmed systems so stop making it seem like it’s just as simple as death rates. There’s many many more others that have had to go through a lot to survive just so you can say it’s a low death rate.

Second, the cases have to be higher for the deaths to go up, look at Aug, the cases were around 75k when deaths spiked. We’re not there yet but we are getting there and probably go higher which is something you’re having a tough time understanding based on snapshots of graphs. ALSO if you look at the deaths, regardless of how many, they go up when the cases are highest. That is when hospitals are overwhelmed again going back to my first point.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:22 AM
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OAN News: https://www.oann.com/u-s-hit-by-spik...pes-hospitals/

Oct 21 article

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. states were in a danger zone of coronavirus spread and six, including election battleground Wisconsin, reported a record one-day increase in COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday while the pandemic’s resurgence in Europe strained hospitals.

Coronavirus deaths hit fresh daily records in Hawaii, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Montana and Wisconsin, a state that also reported a record daily increase in new cases together with Colorado, Illinois, Kentucky and Ohio, according to a Reuters analysis.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
First, ITS NOT AS SIMPLE as saying it’s a low death rate. It’s lower because they’ve come up better ways of treating it.
That alone in no way explains the lower Case Fatality Ratio over the last few months.

A lower average age of confirmed positive case and increased testing leading to more diagnosis of asymptomatic/very mild illness have both played a role in that, alongside improved treatment practices for those with moderate and severe disease.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Many die because they can’t get help or attention due to overwhelmed systems so stop making it seem like it’s just as simple as death rates.
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That is when hospitals are overwhelmed again going back to my first point.
Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large scale. Don't link an article that some hospital in rural Oklahoma with 11 beds is overwhelmed either. Show me an article where there is systemic over crowding.
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:33 AM
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Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large scale. Don't link an article that some hospital in rural Oklahoma with 11 beds is overwhelmed either. Show me an article where there is systemic over crowding.
Indeed. Distance from advanced medical care has ALWAYS been an issue in rural areas. You are much better off having your heart attack, stroke, or MVA in the shadow of a major University medical center than you are in Truth or Consequences NM, population 5800. In fact, it is LESS of an issue with COVID-19, which has a more gradual onset giving you time to get to a major medical center than it is with most serious medical problems.
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