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Old 10-25-2021, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by beetlehog
One other questions. For the folks who have been mandated by their company to take the vaccine, is there any denial of liability paperwork that you are required to sign before you get the shots? Honest question.
No (legacy airline).
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Old 10-25-2021, 08:16 AM
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They are ABSOLUTELY not the same thing. One has certain protections and one doesn't.
If you would bother to read some of the articles linked above, this has already been answered.

The PREP act applies the same protections and covers the liabilities you keep arguing about.

At this point, you guys aren't making any honest arguments, just arguing to be contrarian and stretching for any possible excuse to have your way.

Ultimately, the forum members aren't the people you will need to convince, it will be your CP office and HR departments once the mandate applies to you, we'll see how well that works out. And I have a sneaking suspicion they won't buy any of what you're selling.

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If you would bother to read some of the articles linked above, this has already been answered.

The PREP act applies the same protections and covers the liabilities you keep arguing about.

At this point, you guys aren't making any honest arguments, just arguing to be contrarian and stretching for any possible excuse to have your way.

Ultimately, the forum members aren't the people you will need to convince, it will be your CP office and HR departments once the mandate applies to you, we'll see how well that works out. And I have a sneaking suspicion they won't buy any of what you're selling.

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Countermeasures covered by CICP, through activation of the PREP Act do carry liability coverages, but not to the same degree as they would be covered by the VICP or general tort claims to the company. Someone who is concerned (I am not) that they may have an adverse event that would normally be subject to a liability claim would be better off waiting until the PREP act protections expire or they have more broad approval and are subject to the VICP. That's assuming that you are only concerned about the adverse effects and not considering losing your job, etc.

That's not misinformation, it's just the reality of the liability limits imposed by recourse through the CICP vs a normal vaccine.
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Old 10-25-2021, 11:42 AM
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Countermeasures covered by CICP, through activation of the PREP Act do carry liability coverages, but not to the same degree as they would be covered by the VICP or general tort claims to the company. Someone who is concerned (I am not) that they may have an adverse event that would normally be subject to a liability claim would be better off waiting until the PREP act protections expire or they have more broad approval and are subject to the VICP. That's assuming that you are only concerned about the adverse effects and not considering losing your job, etc.

That's not misinformation, it's just the reality of the liability limits imposed by recourse through the CICP vs a normal vaccine.
None of which matters if your company flies into Canada. They’ve decided to make it mandatory for aircrews transiting their airports. An ever increasing number of countries will require it, making the debate over company and US government mandates moot for most pilots.
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None of which matters if your company flies into Canada. They’ve decided to make it mandatory for aircrews transiting their airports. An ever increasing number of countries will require it, making the debate over company and US government mandates moot for most pilots.
So we should just do it because Canada is requiring it and as you say, an ever increasing number of countries will require it? I am sorry, but my health is a hell of a lot more important to me than being an Int'l Airline pilot. 16k reported deaths so far boys and girls. Those are the one's reported. Approaching a million adverse reactions. Totally safe and efficacious though???
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So we should just do it because Canada is requiring it and as you say, an ever increasing number of countries will require it? I am sorry, but my health is a hell of a lot more important to me than being an Int'l Airline pilot. 16k reported deaths so far boys and girls. Those are the one's reported. Approaching a million adverse reactions. Totally safe and efficacious though???
If your choice of career is airline pilot, you will have no choice. Name an airline that never goes to Canada or Mexico. The effects on your health are irrelevant to that discussion. If you are convinced that this shot will have a deleterious impact on your health, I’d recommend doing something else with your life. If it’s “too late” for you to switch careers, I guess you have some tough choices to make. Personally, I think Biden’s mandate is bad policy and the vaccine a waste for most who will have to get it, but nobody making the policy agrees.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:10 PM
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16k reported deaths so far boys and girls. Those are the one's reported. Approaching a million adverse reactions. Totally safe and efficacious though???
Oh look, another armchair epidemiologist who visited the VAERS website but has no clue what they’re actually reading.
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Old 10-25-2021, 03:24 PM
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Oh look, another armchair epidemiologist who visited the VAERS website but has no clue what they’re actually reading.
I heard this from 777 also. How many have died? Where did you get your info? What's your acceptable number? Honest question. I'm not saying VAERS is totally accurate but it is a government website and CERTAINLY some of the reported deaths/bad reactions are attributable to the vaccine as doctors fill out the reports as well as Joe Blows. The CDC is saying nothing. Why should I trust that website either? They are both administered by the CDC.
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I heard this from 777 also. How many have died? Where did you get your info? What's your acceptable number? Honest question. I'm not saying VAERS is totally accurate but it is a government website and CERTAINLY some of the reported deaths/bad reactions are attributable to the vaccine as doctors fill out the reports as well as Joe Blows. The CDC is saying nothing. Why should I trust that website either? They are both administered by the CDC.
Harvard did a study on VAERS not too long ago and they estimated that 1% of actual adverse reactions actually make it on this particular reporting system. You can take that however you want but when you look at vaccine injuries and death this vaccine that has been out for less than 1 year now will surpass all other vaccine injuries combined very shortly. Go ahead and believe what you want.
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Originally Posted by beetlehog
So we should just do it because Canada is requiring it and as you say, an ever increasing number of countries will require it? I am sorry, but my health is a hell of a lot more important to me than being an Int'l Airline pilot. 16k reported deaths so far boys and girls. Those are the one's reported. Approaching a million adverse reactions. Totally safe and efficacious though???
Really, every bit of US media, the US Government are all in covering up 16,000 deaths as a direct result of the three approved vaccines. Is that your contention? You’re like my wife who won’t fly because airliners are regularly crashing but it’s not reported.
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