Mesabah

This is the better link https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

Mesabah

There are three things I don't like about the mRNA vaccines
1. Mishandling the vaccine ruins the quality of it
2. The lipid delivery system might have adverse effects on the liver over time
3. You have to be exposed to the virus to get an additional level of T-cell training that the viral vector already gives you. Thus, the people taking the mRNA might still be able to spread the virus, or another variant of it.

There has been a lot of nonsense about DNA manipulation, that has no basis in fact. That shouldn't be a consideration in which vaccine you should get.

ClncClarence

To those who keep posting the VAERS links...what conclusions are we supposed to be drawing from this website?

Mesabah

Just like the 480,000 deaths, and case data in general, we assume, for argument, that they are true.

rickair7777

That's true for other pharma as well.

??? If you eat steak and cheese omelettes every meal, every day, THAT could be bad for your liver. The amount of lipids in a vaccine dose is minuscule compared to a steak. You much vaccine were you planning on getting, and how often???

I don't think you understand how viral vector works. The vector part does nothing for your immunity to covid. It might however give you some immune respone to the vector virus itself. But that won't help with covid.

Safe to assume for now that any sort of contagion from vaccinated people (any vaccine variant) will probably be little to none, but we'll have to wait and see how things play out in the real world to be certain. But if everyone is vaccinated, who cares? And if some people chose not to be vaccinated, who cares?

That's true.

highfarfast

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/filler/

rickair7777

That's my take as well, but I'm good either way.

If I have a choice when the time comes, I might consider how the various vaccines are holding up against mutations. All else equal, I'd chose mRNA.

Excargodog

Doesn’t mean it won’t be back and almost certainly isn’t due to the vaccines, because that’s too early. Very doubtful it’s due to the lockdowns either, since locked down areas don’t seem to be doing any better than non lockdown areas. Coukd be it’s just cyclical/seasonal, some viruses are.

But it really doesn’t look like there are any more short term problems with the new vaccines than you get with any other immunizations, and it’s too soon to know about long term problems and that will be the case for.. well, a LONG time, by definition. And we don’t know the duration of the immunity for the same reason - too early to tell.

But it does seem like even a single dose of a two shot vaccine rather dramatically decreases your risk of serious infection after the first two weeks or so, and in the end that’s going to be enough once everyone who wants a vaccination gets it. Not enough to render COVID-19 extinct mind you, but there are far more serious diseases than COVID that we haven’t invested the time and effort in to make extinct (Polio, measles, etc) so that’s not really the metric.

The metric is when we can get back to NORMAL. By that criteria I think it will be starting by the end of the summer and finishing - well, about this time next year.

YMMV

HIFLYR

Why should anyone be forced to take a vaccine that they have a 99.9 % chance of having no problems if contracted and that does not stop you from spreading the disease?

Mesabah

Like double masking, double vaxing is actually a thing. They want to give you both vaccines, so you get the T-cell training of the VV, combined with the antibody response of the mRNA. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...01.28.428665v1

The mRNA vaccines do not give you the CD8 response. For me, I want the additional T-cell memory, I don't care about antibodies that go away in a few months.