Speed Select

Are you putting a ventilator hex on me? There’s bad karma backlash to putting hexes on people.

Your mind reading ability sucks, BTW. Like kblock said, your vision is clouded by politics and you see what you want to see.

Please tell me, for real here, what behavior would you like to see from me so as to earn your “good guy during a pandemic” seal of approval?

GateAgent007

If you're doing all these things, then what the hell are we arguing about? Everything you listed is perfectly within the realm of reason.

Speed Select

I like watching you and your internet clone Wutface screed at people.

You have all these biases and prejudices about people based on their ideas, yet you have no idea how they behave, and insist on getting in their face about how they live their lives.

I’m firmly in the individual camp. Society nearly ALWAYS lets the most vulnerable people fall through the cracks because it’s expedient to do so, and there’s never any accountability within the collective (that’s why Trump is the bad guy, he and his 73 million supporters aren’t in the “collective”). Society is best served when individuals help other individuals by choice, not by mandate (it never works, creates black markets/cartels, etc). I’m curious, how much do you give to charity every month? How many volunteer hours do you budget of your time? How many deployments have you done since 9/11? How many peaceful protests have you marched in? Are you divine in your mask wear? I congratulate you on all of that. Is society better served when you choose to do that, or when the government mandates it?

So, I really do everything I said I do to mitigate CV. I haven’t really noticed anyone else doing anything different. Where do you live that you see people wantonly running around without masks? Lets admit, lockdowns don’t work. Didn’t the PA governor just test positive today? What the hell has that lockdown proponent been doing when we’re not looking?! Probably not what he’s telling everyone else to do.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GovernorT...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Sometimes I wear my mask when I’m by myself in my car because my face is an easy place to store it, or I forget it’s there. But I also frequent local restaurants (even after 10 pm!). And I don’t freak out if someone encroaches on my six foot bubble. Our family went to a major national park this summer for vacation and stayed in a cabin distanced from others. I still shake hands with people I know and love. I don’t shame anyone for hunkering down. All in all, I’m mature enough to make my own risk assessments (like supporting my favorite locally-owned restaurants to help get them through CV), and I resent other grown-ups telling me that they know how to live my life better than I do.

Science is on my side-the CV death rate is worth the risk of doing my part in helping my neighbors make it through this pandemic financially, emotionally, and psychologically.

Oh yeah. CV-19 is here forever, despite the vaccine, and we’re going to have to learn to live with it.

AntiPeter

There have been a lot of excess deaths in the United States this year, unlike Sweden which hasn't had many at all, even though they've had over 7,000 COVID deaths.

Why?

Lockdowns have a huge social and economic cost. While this isn't discussed because it isn't politically correct to do so, using excess deaths as Knobcrk1 references we can begin to see the cost lockdowns have on the population.

Using CDC data we can see there have been a lot of excess deaths in every age group this year except those under 25 years of age. However, not all of the excess death is due to the COVID virus itself. In fact, from age 25-64 you are more likely to die this year, but it isn't from COVID. This is likely the result of the lockdowns themselves.

When people say "we are all in this together", that is not honest. Lockdowns have huge consequences for the working population, the overwhelming majority of which will not suffer significantly from COVID-19. The consequences of the lockdowns are so severe, it is more likely to die from the lockdown than from the virus itself. This is the real travesty of the current public health policy. For the elderly to avoid a death from natural causes, the younger working age population has been forced to accept increased risk. This is the blatantly immoral aspect of what has occurred in 2020. I'm surprised the population has tolerated it.

https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-t...wing-covid-19/

Ronaldo

For the sake of being a jacka$$ I’ll say 93.3% of people are having no problems with these lockdowns. National unemployment is at 6.7%. I don’t know a single person that has lost their job. This whole snowflake over reaction to lockdowns makes no sense. Lockdown cause of death = near zero. Underlying mental health problems account for 95% of lockdown related deaths.

I also read a story out of Denmark that lamestream media won’t pickup, that says the pandemic will accelerate growth in portions of the economy.

Speed Select

Are you as arrogant about underlying health problems and the correlation to COVID deaths?

This hypocrisy is why people like me detest people like you telling me how to live.

AntiPeter

Your post is extremely offensive.

Having an adverse reaction to losing a career, job, house, not being able to go to school, the doctor, travel, see friends, forced isolation, is not a mental health problem.

Realizing this suffering is occurring so the unhealthy elderly can ineffectively cheat death is very upsetting, and rightly so.

As I just posted lockdowns cause more death per the CDC numbers than does COVID for those from age 25-64.

Seneca Pilot

It also causes children who are at little or no risk of covid or spreading it to miss out on much needed education, school meals, socialization, and prevention of child abuse as teachers are the most often people to recognize and report it.

It causes dangerous delays in preventive medicine screening and treatment.

To just assume they are all crazy and killing themselves is despicable

GateAgent007

This statement is extremely specious. There is no evidence to back up what you're claiming, and the experience of the last 9 months is proof that COVID is a much bigger killer than any collateral deaths from mitigation.

Collateral deaths aren't mentioned not because it's 'politically incorrect.' They're not mentioned often because people can count. Experts understand that uncontained COVID would be magnitudes more fatal than the collateral effects of containment.

And some grainy screengrab of some chart off a 3rd rate website about excess deaths isn't going to cut it.

Lou Reed

So let me get this straight: We've gone from mocking the "media induced covid overhype" due to apparently there not being enough dead for some people (some are too dim to understand that deaths come weeks after the spike) to now when the deaths are here, arguing that dead people are going to die anyways?