MagooFlew

....and the fact that they all fall into the highest risk group as well.

Seneca Pilot

A little casual investigation into the original structure of the United States of America would reveal that this was exactly the intention of the framers.

The federal government has very limited powers that most presidents and congress members are only too happy to expand. When we get a president who actually understands and respects States' rights he is ridiculed for it on CNN. The federal government has no business, constitutionally, telling any state how to deal with this virus. The Federal powers dealing with this virus end at the national borders and the travel bans associated with them.

furloughfuntime

I think your understanding of federalism is a little overly simplistic. The federal government is given the power to regulate interstate commerce via the commerce clause of the constitution, and this has been interpreted rather broadly over US history. Covid is obviously an event which impinges on interstate commerce, thus giving the federal government the legal justification, and perhaps an obligation, to play a role in managing this crisis.

A Wikipedia summation of supreme court interpretations of the commerce clause:

• "Firstly, Congress may regulate the use of the channels of interstate commerce;[18]
• Secondly, Congress is empowered to regulate and protect the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, or persons or things in Interstate Commerce, even though the threat may come only from intrastate activities;[19]
• Thirdly, Congress's commerce authority includes the power to regulate those activities having a substantial relation to interstate commerce (activities that substantially affect interstate commerce)"

The bolded part suggests that if a state is managing the crisis so recklessly that it could begin to damage interstate commerce, then the federal government is well within their constitutional right to intervene. States' rights is a very messy issue, given how interconnected state economies are to each other. It also means that this crisis would be literally impossible to deal with by any single state alone, since a state can't shut down its own borders

So, yes, the federal government does have a right to lead on this crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

RI830

60% is my number.....Dr Birx stated that they were taking an extremely liberal approach to COVID-19 cases and COVID-19 deaths.
Tie in a financial benefit for dying of COVID-19 and you have a recipe for gross negligence and corruption. When an individual dies from suicide and they tag COVID-19 on the death certificate.....there is no respect for the system any longer.

furloughfuntime

Source? Anyone can make up nonsense claims. It's hard to take you seriously when you're spreading unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. I'd love to see evidence for any of your claims

Speed Select

BS. Trump halted travel from China and was called a racist. Early on, Fauci said that Trump implemented every one of his recommendations.

Fauci has changed guidance countless times (not a threat to US, not communicable between humans, don’t wear a mask). How about holding the “expert” accountable for those lives? I mean, his one job in life is to be ball park correct about this stuff.

And yes, CDC has been inconsistent with their guidance. Definition of social distancing? I’ve seen three today. Burying “social D is no substitute for a mask“ on an obscure page isn’t a competent info dissemination plan. Way to go CDC!

Went camping out west, saw exactly one dude make a scene about mask wearing. In English. To a non-English speaking family. Such privilege. If you can’t speak their language, SPEAK LOUDER. It was so classic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4787209002

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sk-coronavirus

Despite heavy criticism from the NYT, Trump stopped travel from China on Jan 31: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...virus.amp.html

If Doc F had just taken the CV threat a little more seriously on Feb 18: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhy2FgkP0Yw

Trump listened to Fauci, then got criticized for not acting fast enough (ref Feb 18 video): https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...stancing%3famp

You don’t like Trump, we get it. But give credit (or lack of) where it’s due.

RI830

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch...-counting-that

No matter the cause of death, if they get tested and we’re positive, symptomatic or not, the individual died of COVID-19.
Shoot yourself and die of COVID-19, get in a car wreck and die from COVID-19, get hit by an airplane and die from COVID-19, have a massive heart attack but you died from COVID-19.

Again....60% is my number and doesn’t need a news source to satisfy you. It’s my number and that’s it.

Seneca Pilot

That is a rather broad interpretation of the interstate commerce clause. Yes congress is empowered to insure interstate commerce is not threatened. No congress is not empowered to mandate masks. Hence no national mask law. States can inspect vehicles at their borders and could, in theory, require negative tests for private citizens of another state or deny entry. Congress would be empowered to stop it if it were threatening the free flow of goods. All theoretical though as no state would do this.

Trump (like him or not) is doing exactly what the constitution requires of him. Consulting with experts, getting out information, and assisting governors with needs and resources.

Knobcrk1

This was exactly the mentality that made things worse in hindsight regarding the initial response by this country. People in rural Texas for example, and the whole state for that matter, thought the virus was a New York and California thing, before they knew it the virus was there too. A federal response would have saved more lives. It’s still baffling how a worldwide pandemic became a left vs right thing when at this exact moment, the federal government needed to take charge.

Knobcrk1

Oh boy. We’re not talking about Texans being forced to wear red pants on Tuesday’s and Wednesday’s by the federal government. We’re talking about a global and national pandemic. The federal gov absolutely has the right to protect the citizens of this country. States can not handle all of it on their own. At the very least there wasn’t even leadership.