TSA Numbers
09-20-2020, 01:32 PM
#651
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I agree with you said except for Hawaii..... Hawaii is literally still stuck in April. It is Covid 19 all day everyday out here. They are just now realizing that they are screwed economically due to self imposed restrictions. (How it took them this long to realize this is beyond me!!)
The only reason they are opening is because they figured out a vaccine, a lockdown, a quarantine, and closing highways to do mass testing isn't going to stop anything.
Oahu is literally on lockdown still (until 9/24) and issuing tens of thousands of citations per month to people eating takeout in their cars... not an exaggeration.
Even the elected leaders are in hiding. What was daily media briefings is turning into once a week.. And when they started getting people yelling "F you" from the streets, they took their briefings indoors.
Hawaii (Oahu specifically) has become a police state.
Mayor Victorino tried to sugar coat Maui losing the Maui Invitational B-Ball tourny.... He never mentioned that in fact the tourny is still going on, it's just being held in Asheville. In that briefing he looked like he was having an "oh sh!t" moment, and realizing people are still functioning, just not out here.
The only reason they are opening is because they figured out a vaccine, a lockdown, a quarantine, and closing highways to do mass testing isn't going to stop anything.
Oahu is literally on lockdown still (until 9/24) and issuing tens of thousands of citations per month to people eating takeout in their cars... not an exaggeration.
Even the elected leaders are in hiding. What was daily media briefings is turning into once a week.. And when they started getting people yelling "F you" from the streets, they took their briefings indoors.
Hawaii (Oahu specifically) has become a police state.
Mayor Victorino tried to sugar coat Maui losing the Maui Invitational B-Ball tourny.... He never mentioned that in fact the tourny is still going on, it's just being held in Asheville. In that briefing he looked like he was having an "oh sh!t" moment, and realizing people are still functioning, just not out here.
09-20-2020, 02:19 PM
#652
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I think it’s just COVID fatigue. Quantas just sold out a sight-seeing flight in record time. I think people are just adapting. We used to lose 8000 people a day in the US and - except for friends and families - nobody much paid attention. Now we are losing maybe 8800 a day and it’s sort of becoming just background. Europe is seeing a second wave and they are still resisting a second lockdown. Hawaii - which was an outlier on the good side for quite awhile, is now seeing increased cases and their response is...to reopen next month. People can’t afford to let COVID dominate their lives, either economically or emotionally. It’s like being in a war zone. Eventually you just compartmentalize.
Also helpful for us is that the info is getting out in the media about the *realistic* covid risk of air travel, which is lower than most pax would have guessed back in Apr. As folks become more inclined to travel, the available information is soothing or at least helps some people to rationalize it if that's what they need. Previously many folks thought a few hours in a plane was essentially a death sentence.
09-20-2020, 03:44 PM
#653
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Yup.
Also helpful for us is that the info is getting out in the media about the *realistic* covid risk of air travel, which is lower than most pax would have guessed back in Apr. As folks become more inclined to travel, the available information is soothing or at least helps some people to rationalize it if that's what they need. Previously many folks thought a few hours in a plane was essentially a death sentence.
Also helpful for us is that the info is getting out in the media about the *realistic* covid risk of air travel, which is lower than most pax would have guessed back in Apr. As folks become more inclined to travel, the available information is soothing or at least helps some people to rationalize it if that's what they need. Previously many folks thought a few hours in a plane was essentially a death sentence.
I ride the airlines as a paying passenger 5-6 times a month for work and one or two times a year on long trips as a tourist. I'm not at all worried about the bug. I've just decided there is no way in hell I'm taking a long jet ride with the wife for vacation until mask idiocy is over. Not exactly relaxing. Just spitballing that lots of folks feel the same.
I have plenty of friends in airline cockpits and I wish it weren't the case but the truth is hard to ignore.
09-20-2020, 05:15 PM
#654
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Central and S America brotha. Colombia. Peru. Bolivia. Mexico. October it’s opening up and I’m on first non rev down
09-20-2020, 05:37 PM
#656
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States and destinations being open for travel or not aside, many corporations and other orgs are not permitting travel if things can be accomplished via Zoom etc. Sure, the individual employee may want to travel, but his employer is not permitting it.
mission essential/mission critical only for most orgs still. indeed a few may be getting comfortable and easing restrictions (which is good).
TSA numbers still stuck in 30-35% overall. October is reportedly the busiest for business travel, October's numbers will be interesting.
If our 35% improves to 50%, and we just say the entire year of 2020 was 50% of 2019 (which obviously, it will not be...) then that represents 463M pax, or pre-2003 levels.
mission essential/mission critical only for most orgs still. indeed a few may be getting comfortable and easing restrictions (which is good).
TSA numbers still stuck in 30-35% overall. October is reportedly the busiest for business travel, October's numbers will be interesting.
If our 35% improves to 50%, and we just say the entire year of 2020 was 50% of 2019 (which obviously, it will not be...) then that represents 463M pax, or pre-2003 levels.
09-21-2020, 04:18 AM
#660
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this is all based on "summer" return to travel growth.
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