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Old 08-09-2020, 06:09 PM
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I was having a hard time wording that myself. I guess for example, XYZ Airline operates 5,000 flights a day. 20% of those are international flights to countries that due to Covid restrictions are unable to be flown. That leaves the airline with 4,000 flights available on the schedule. Pax numbers suck so they draw down to do only half of the available flights. So now they’re only doing 2,000 flights or 40% of their original schedule.

What my question is what percentage of the 2.7 million passengers from 2019 could we actually be flying in a given day compared the 2019 flight schedules. Without the international flying, would we only be able to move 1,500,000 pax in a day? 2,000,000?

750,000-800,000 pax in a day passing through the checkpoints isn’t great but at what point can the numbers no longer grow without international flying?
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet
I was having a hard time wording that myself. I guess for example, XYZ Airline operates 5,000 flights a day. 20% of those are international flights to countries that due to Covid restrictions are unable to be flown. That leaves the airline with 4,000 flights available on the schedule. Pax numbers suck so they draw down to do only half of the available flights. So now they’re only doing 2,000 flights or 40% of their original schedule.

What my question is what percentage of the 2.7 million passengers from 2019 could we actually be flying in a given day compared the 2019 flight schedules. Without the international flying, would we only be able to move 1,500,000 pax in a day? 2,000,000?

750,000-800,000 pax in a day passing through the checkpoints isn’t great but at what point can the numbers no longer grow without international flying?

So your looking for the max domestic pax count
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet
I was having a hard time wording that myself. I guess for example, XYZ Airline operates 5,000 flights a day. 20% of those are international flights to countries that due to Covid restrictions are unable to be flown. That leaves the airline with 4,000 flights available on the schedule. Pax numbers suck so they draw down to do only half of the available flights. So now they’re only doing 2,000 flights or 40% of their original schedule.

What my question is what percentage of the 2.7 million passengers from 2019 could we actually be flying in a given day compared the 2019 flight schedules. Without the international flying, would we only be able to move 1,500,000 pax in a day? 2,000,000?

750,000-800,000 pax in a day passing through the checkpoints isn’t great but at what point can the numbers no longer grow without international flying?
https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/2019-tr...inal-full-year

"U.S. airlines and foreign airlines serving the U.S....."

2019 numbers were (check my math)

1.053 B total pax
of that, 241M were international (22.9% of total)

2018 numbers were

1,011.5 B total pax
of that, 233.6M were international (23.0% of total)

2017 numbers were

965.4M total pax
of that, 223.7M were international (23.2% of total)

Conclusion, a nice round number of 25% can be stated as how much international is represented in passenger counts.

Put another way, if international completely opened, full throttle, we can ADD that to the CURRENT levels of 30% and we would be at 55%.

However, "current levels" are summer. Also, international is closed (mostly). We have no benchmark for COVID business travel, typically business high season is Sept-Oct-November. October being the big month.

JFK activity: https://www.radarbox.com/statistics/airports/KJFK

You can pull the drop down for all the major airports and determine that the "peak" for summer activity seems to be mid to late August, for all major airports. After that it declines substantially. This is not opinion, belief, conjecture, hypothesis. This is the cold data from ops activity in the past.

So the next two weeks is very important.

Time will tell soon enough....
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Old 08-10-2020, 04:49 AM
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800,000+ I’ll bet.
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Old 08-10-2020, 04:59 AM
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831,000!!!!!!
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:01 AM
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831,000!!!!!!

And 31.4% YOY.
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Freighthotdog
831,000!!!!!!
Great numbers for Sunday, but Friday and Saturday were both lower than last week. I wonder if that sort of trend will continue, and if so, what it implies (more leisure and less business? Or vice versa?)
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OversoldCommute
Great numbers for Sunday, but Friday and Saturday were both lower than last week. I wonder if that sort of trend will continue, and if so, what it implies (more leisure and less business? Or vice versa?)
Possibility Friday and Saturday were outliers. It's more important to look at the overall trend rather than individual weeks, it seems like all flying across all days of the week is steadily increasing, but weekday travel is much lighter YOY, which would imply that business travel is struggling more right now.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I was for the initial lockdown as initially defined. It didn’t work as well here as SK so it’s an issue here. You can blame and point fingers but the fact is that different societies will have a different reaction to different things and I’d argue our politicians on BOTH sides dropped the ball in such a way as to not allow OUR society to have an appropriate reaction.

Time to learn how to live with it because we can’t stay locked down waiting for a vaccine that may or may not come.

From what I read ours failed because there were too many essential workers. Most other countries were home improvement stores( for tradesman not diyers), grocery stores, and HC facilities like dr offices and pharmacies. That’s it end of the list. We had like 70 percent of places ended up being considered essential.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dremaldent
Possibility Friday and Saturday were outliers. It's more important to look at the overall trend rather than individual weeks, it seems like all flying across all days of the week is steadily increasing, but weekday travel is much lighter YOY, which would imply that business travel is struggling more right now.
A seven day moving average would smooth some noise out of the data. Where is the chart wizard?
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