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Old 12-08-2020, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
The safest vaccines in the world still have SOME bad reactions. Sabin oral polio vaccine - which has been used for decades - leads to about 2-4 cases of polio per million.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6206116/

Expecting to vaccinate 70% of 330 million people without serious reactions or deaths is unrealistic. The one-in-a-million chance is going to hit a couple hundred times...
Correct and all for a disease that has a 98 to 99% survival rate.
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Old 12-08-2020, 10:30 AM
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Correct and all for a disease that has a 98 to 99% survival rate.
The punchline is that they don’t even know if the vaccine will prevent transmission of the virus. Defeating the purpose of the vaccine in the first place.
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Old 12-08-2020, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
The punchline is that they don’t even know if the vaccine will prevent transmission of the virus. Defeating the purpose of the vaccine in the first place.

They actually do. The comments about transmission were due to the incubation period of a week to 10 days before the body builds immunity after the first dose. You can transmit the virus if you are infected during that time. Pfizer clarified that but for some reason, the "virus patriots" keep parroting misinformation.
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Old 12-08-2020, 11:37 AM
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They actually do. The comments about transmission were due to the incubation period of a week to 10 days before the body builds immunity after the first dose. You can transmit the virus if you are infected during that time. Pfizer clarified that but for some reason, the "virus patriots" keep parroting misinformation.
From today’s New York Times:
If vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities.

“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”

In most respiratory infections, including the new coronavirus, the nose is the main port of entry. The virus rapidly multiplies there, jolting the immune system to produce a type of antibodies that are specific to mucosa, the moist tissue lining the nose, mouth, lungs and stomach. If the same person is exposed to the virus a second time, those antibodies, as well as immune cells that remember the virus, rapidly shut down the virus in the nose before it gets a chance to take hold elsewhere in the body.
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Old 12-08-2020, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
The punchline is that they don’t even know if the vaccine will prevent transmission of the virus. Defeating the purpose of the vaccine in the first place.
That is extremely unlikely. That's not how the immune system works.
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Old 12-08-2020, 11:49 AM
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The punchline is that they don’t even know if the vaccine will prevent transmission of the virus. Defeating the purpose of the vaccine in the first place.
Preventing infection AND transmission is a virtual certainty. The DURATION of that prevention, as well as the possibility (admittedly unlikely) of serious side effects is what is unknown. There is also the possibility of manufacturing issues - especially during startup. Nothing particularly difficult about making Salk vaccine technically speaking, but in the early days one manufacturer (Cutter Labs) effed it up. And the AstraZeneca dosage ‘oops’ would suggest that human error is still around even 70 years later.

As someone else said, there’s always risk flying the “A” model of anything. For that matter, flying FCFs after major maintenance even in an “E” model provides you with a few good stories for the bar. But there’s no good way to avoid those risks and someone’s gotta do it.
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Old 12-09-2020, 05:05 AM
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Let’s just not talk about yesterday’s numbers.
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Old 12-09-2020, 05:07 AM
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Let’s just not talk about yesterday’s numbers.
Yeah - lets not.
At 26% YOY lowest in over 3 months... its better not to dwell on it. I hope its an aberration
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Old 12-09-2020, 05:46 AM
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Yeah - lets not.
At 26% YOY lowest in over 3 months... its better not to dwell on it. I hope its an aberration
You can’t read about not talking about it?
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Old 12-09-2020, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spirited
Yeah - lets not.
At 26% YOY lowest in over 3 months... its better not to dwell on it. I hope its an aberration
An aberration? Nearly daily records for cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and lockdowns have returned likely until there are a significant number vaccinated and it’s proven the vaccine is working. I’m shocked it’s as high as 26%. We are unlikely to be saved by another congressional bailout this time, I doubt any meaningful recovery begins until late next year, if the vaccines are successful.
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